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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:12:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40917DBA.1080308@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040429213246.GA15988@valve.mbsi.ca>



Marc Boucher wrote:
> Giuliano Colla wrote:
> 
>>Can you honestly tell apart the two cases, if you don't make a it a case of
>>"religion war"?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 11:15:13AM -0400, Timothy Miller answered:
> 
>>Firmware downloaded into a piece of hardware can't corrupt the kernel in the
>>host.
>>
>>(Unless it's a bus master which writes to random memory, which might be
>>possible, but there is hardware you can buy to watch PCI transactions.)
> 
> 
> and unless it's a card with binary-only, proprietary BIOS code called at
> runtime by the kernel, for example by the vesafb.c video driver,
> which despite this has a MODULE_LICENSE("GPL").
> 
> Could someone explain why such execution of evil proprietary binary-only
> code on the host CPU should not also "taint" the kernel? ;-)

That's a good question, but the BIOS code you're talking about is not 
part of the kernel.  Sure, it's possible that it might still corrupt the 
kernel, but it's not being loaded into it as a module.  The developer of 
the BIOS code never intended for their code to be run by the Linux kernel.

Is it still dangerous?  Yes.  Is it a violation of the GPL?  No.

Also, developers of modules which thunk to BIOS code are aware of the 
potential problems and are typically willing to take responsibility for 
investigating bugs in their own code.  (Bugs in the BIOS means you're 
screwed and need to get new hardware.)  Developers of proprietary 
drivers are notoriously unhelpful when it comes to fixing bugs in their 
code.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-29 22:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 197+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-27  2:09 [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27  4:42   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27  9:58     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27  6:04   ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27  9:21     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59         ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 13:12           ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license (-> possible GPL violation :) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 14:10             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-27 17:05           ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58           ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55             ` Timothy Miller
     [not found]           ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17             ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24           ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52   ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27  5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27  7:03   ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz
2004-04-29 18:40 ` [hsflinux] " Giuliano Colla
2004-04-29 19:08   ` viro
2004-04-29 19:29     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-29 20:24   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12       ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2004-04-29 22:20         ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  6:01             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-04-30  9:33               ` Symbios and BIOS (was: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 11:07                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06       ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 21:10   ` [hsflinux] " Linus Torvalds
2004-04-29 21:44     ` viro
2004-04-30 13:37     ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 14:14       ` Arthur Perry
2004-04-30 18:14         ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 15:55       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 19:27         ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 20:29           ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-02  8:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-02 22:26             ` Giuliano Colla
2004-05-03  1:21               ` David Lang
2004-05-04 17:27                 ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-27 13:43 Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25     ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46         ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53           ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03               ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41                   ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28  0:08               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28         ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12     ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  0:02       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  0:25         ` David Gibson
2004-04-28  1:14           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  3:23             ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28  6:04               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29  0:02                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  0:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  2:20                     ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29  2:31                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29  2:36                     ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:38                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  2:47                         ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:47                       ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57                     ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00                       ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45                           ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47                           ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32                               ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40                               ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55                               ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  2:15                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  4:18                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30  4:32                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01                                         ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30  4:43                                   ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  5:44                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  6:13                                       ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  8:04                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30  8:48                                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06                                         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43                                           ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10                                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10  6:25                                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10  7:08                                                   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31                                               ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50                                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44                                                   ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17                                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26                                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22                                               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01                                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  8:47                                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30  9:31                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57                                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14                                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46                                     ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49                           ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20                             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03                               ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-30  9:16                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28  1:57         ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  3:28           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47             ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06                 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03             ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28  2:10     ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-27 21:34 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01  9:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
     [not found] <878ygh147m.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org>
2004-04-27 22:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:05   ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:30     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:41       ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:59         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01  9:19           ` Tomas Szepe
     [not found] <20040428000952.GA19522@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  0:18 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <20040428003034.GA20811@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  0:56 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <20040428011348.GA22754@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-30 18:39 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:11   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-05-01  0:40     ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01  5:07     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12       ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27         ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14           ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47         ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:47         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58           ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03  0:04         ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr

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