From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:01:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4091895A.6040800@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6DB1DC9C-9A2B-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com>
Marc Boucher wrote:
>
> The proprietary modem code for the HSF driver is not part of the kernel,
> nor did its original developers ever intend for it to be run by the
> Linux kernel.
>
> Whether proprietary binary-only code is dynamically loaded through the
> module subsystem or physically by someone installing a card is a
> technicality with little relevance.
So, what you're saying is that you have taken a binary driver, not
written by you, designed for an entirely different ABI, and you have
written some code, which you have released under GPL, that interfaces
between the Linux Kernel and the binary driver?
Kinda like that project which lets people use Windows network drivers
under Linux?
I don't see a problem with that, ideologically. I mean, it sucks that
we can't get Linux-specific drivers, but at least people can use the
hardware.
HOWEVER, there are two problems:
(1) It still taints the kernel, because the behavior of the Windows
driver is still a black box that cannot be debugged. The only way to
avoid that would be to run the Windows driver in some kind of sandbox.
(2) Misleading the kernel (and users) into thinking that the driver does
not taint the kernel, when in fact it does, is wrong.
You have pointed out an interesting point in another email. I have to
agree that, technically, thunking to BIOS code also taints the kernel,
because it, too, is a black box which could corrupt the kernel. What do
others have to say about that?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-29 22:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 197+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-27 2:09 [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27 4:42 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27 9:58 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27 6:04 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27 9:21 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 13:12 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license (-> possible GPL violation :) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 14:10 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-27 17:05 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55 ` Timothy Miller
[not found] ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27 5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27 7:03 ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz
2004-04-29 18:40 ` [hsflinux] " Giuliano Colla
2004-04-29 19:08 ` viro
2004-04-29 19:29 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-29 20:24 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01 ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2004-04-30 6:01 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-04-30 9:33 ` Symbios and BIOS (was: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 11:07 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 21:10 ` [hsflinux] " Linus Torvalds
2004-04-29 21:44 ` viro
2004-04-30 13:37 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 14:14 ` Arthur Perry
2004-04-30 18:14 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 15:55 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 19:27 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 20:29 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-02 8:40 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-02 22:26 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-05-03 1:21 ` David Lang
2004-05-04 17:27 ` Timothy Miller
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-27 13:43 Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25 ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 0:08 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 0:02 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 0:25 ` David Gibson
2004-04-28 1:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 3:23 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 6:04 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 0:02 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 0:40 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 2:20 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 2:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 2:36 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00 ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45 ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40 ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 2:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 4:18 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 4:32 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30 4:43 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 5:44 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 6:13 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 8:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30 8:48 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10 6:25 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10 7:08 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31 ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44 ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 8:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 9:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03 ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-30 9:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28 1:57 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 3:28 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03 ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-27 21:34 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01 9:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
[not found] <878ygh147m.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org>
2004-04-27 22:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:05 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:30 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:41 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01 9:19 ` Tomas Szepe
[not found] <20040428000952.GA19522@hockin.org>
2004-04-28 0:18 ` Robert M. Stockmann
[not found] <20040428003034.GA20811@hockin.org>
2004-04-28 0:56 ` Robert M. Stockmann
[not found] <20040428011348.GA22754@hockin.org>
2004-04-28 1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-30 18:39 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
[not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:11 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-05-01 0:40 ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01 5:07 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03 0:04 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr
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