From: Stefan Smietanowski <stesmi@stesmi.com>
To: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
"'Sean Estabrooks'" <seanlkml@rogers.com>,
"'Paul Wagland'" <paul@wagland.net>,
"'Rik van Riel'" <riel@redhat.com>,
"'Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz'" <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
"'Peter Williams'" <peterw@aurema.com>,
Hua Zhong <hzhong@cisco.com>,
"'Timothy Miller'" <miller@techsource.com>,
"'lkml - Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
koke@sindominio.net, "'Rusty Russell'" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
"'David Gibson'" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:34:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4092B861.8060601@stesmi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90DD8A88-9AE2-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com>
Hi.
> The purpose of the workaround is not to circumvent any protection, but
> to fix a real usability issue for systems in the field, which, as an
> expert you perhaps do not see, but users definitely massively felt and
> complained about.
That's like saying that someone hates getting a speeding ticket from
those automatic cameras that are cropping up everywhere now.
He then promptly removes his license plate so he can't be tracked and
then he can continue to speed along.
Now - To the entity that is issuing tickets it appears that that
person is now a law abiding citizen and does not speed anymore when
in truth he removed the plate so it would appear that way.
The speeding ticket is printed message.
Yes, it might or should be changed to print it once or once
per $MODULE_VENDOR or license or whatever, but the issue remains.
It wasn't YOU that installed the speed camera nor set the speed
limits (ie created the tained flag and the code that prints a
message when such a module is inserted) but claiming that
"but it's only a workaround because I was getting so many tickets"
doesn't make it any better.
Yes, Linux is such an open system that a user can install a kernel
that doesn't print anything for tained kernels (remove speed cameras)
but that doesn't mean that YOU can do anything about it from the side
of the car (module).
Also note that neither the speed camera nor the kernel actually make
any limits on speeding (loading proprietary modules).
// Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-30 20:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
2004-04-30 19:19 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 22:47 ` Allowing only "-g" compiled modules! (was: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 20:11 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34 ` Stefan Smietanowski [this message]
2004-04-30 20:47 ` A compromise that could have been reached. " Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:07 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:16 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 21:38 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 22:05 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 2:36 ` Tim Connors
2004-05-01 0:40 ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01 5:07 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:53 ` [PATCH] clarify message and give support contact for non-GPL modules Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:34 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 21:48 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:53 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:22 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:53 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 23:10 ` viro
2004-05-02 7:04 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-05-04 17:06 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 22:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-01 23:28 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-02 1:02 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 12:43 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-02 13:05 ` Paul Rolland
2004-05-02 15:35 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 15:45 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-04 17:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 20:47 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03 0:04 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr
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2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-30 18:39 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] <20040428011348.GA22754@hockin.org>
2004-04-28 1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
[not found] <20040428003034.GA20811@hockin.org>
2004-04-28 0:56 ` Robert M. Stockmann
[not found] <20040428000952.GA19522@hockin.org>
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2004-04-27 23:05 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:30 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:41 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01 9:19 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
2004-04-27 21:34 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01 9:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-27 13:43 Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25 ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 0:08 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 0:02 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 0:25 ` David Gibson
2004-04-28 1:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 3:23 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 6:04 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 0:02 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 0:40 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 2:20 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 2:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 2:36 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00 ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45 ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40 ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 2:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 4:18 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 4:32 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30 4:43 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 5:44 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 6:13 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 8:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30 8:48 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10 6:25 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10 7:08 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31 ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44 ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 8:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 9:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03 ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-29 20:24 ` [hsflinux] " Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 6:01 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-30 9:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28 1:57 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 3:28 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03 ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-27 2:09 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27 4:42 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27 9:58 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27 6:04 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27 9:21 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 17:05 ` Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55 ` Timothy Miller
[not found] ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27 5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
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