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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	"'Sean Estabrooks'" <seanlkml@rogers.com>,
	"'Paul Wagland'" <paul@wagland.net>,
	"'Rik van Riel'" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"'Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz'" <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
	"'Peter Williams'" <peterw@aurema.com>,
	Hua Zhong <hzhong@cisco.com>,
	"'lkml - Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	koke@sindominio.net, "'Rusty Russell'" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	"'David Gibson'" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: A compromise that could have been reached.  Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:47:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4092BB75.7050400@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90DD8A88-9AE2-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com>

Something occurred to me...

It does take some time to get patches to propogate onto people's 
computers.  Linuxant has the problem that they have to be able to work 
in lots of different already-deployed kernels.

I get the impression that Linuxant attempts to load and try a large 
number of drivers in order to detect hardware.  While that isn't 
necessarily the best way to probe for devices, I can see why it would be 
unpleasant to have numerous "taint" messages print out in the general case.

The best solution to this would be both legal (in the sense of them 
being licensed to do this) and solve Linuxant's problem.  How to do this?


Linuxant could have posed this problem to LKML and gotten permission to 
do something "questionable", which is what I am going to suggest:

First:   Do the "GPL\0" thing with the permission of LKML members, 
conditioned on the next two steps.

Second:  Make the Linuxant loader program print out a message that 
explains to users that the kernel is really being tainted, even though 
it doesn't look that way, and also that same message needs to get into 
appropriate system logs.

Third:   Find some way to force on the "tainted" flag in the kernel 
after all the module load attempts have been finished.


I'm not declaring this to be THE solution   It might be crap.  But the 
Linux community does enjoy cooperating with people who are trying to do 
good things and need help.  An argument can be made that there is some 
benefit to what Linuxant does, and that argument is strong enough that 
enough people would probably agree to this sort of compromize.


In fact, in my opinion, if I were a major kernel contributor, I wouldn't 
mind the "questionable workaround" at all if the consequences of it were 
deal with by forcing the "tainting" flag on after the tainting flag had 
been defeated.

Make sense?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-30 20:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
     [not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58   ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 22:47     ` Allowing only "-g" compiled modules! (was: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 20:11   ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-04-30 20:47     ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2004-04-30 21:07       ` A compromise that could have been reached. " Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:16         ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 21:38         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 22:05           ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01  2:36           ` Tim Connors
2004-05-01  0:40     ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01  5:07     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12       ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27         ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14           ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47         ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:53           ` [PATCH] clarify message and give support contact for non-GPL modules Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:34             ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 21:48               ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:53                 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:22                 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:53                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 23:10                     ` viro
2004-05-02  7:04                       ` Xavier Bestel
2004-05-04 17:06                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 22:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-01 23:28                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02  0:22                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-02  1:02                       ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 12:43                         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-02 13:05                           ` Paul Rolland
2004-05-02 15:35                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 15:45                               ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-04 17:09                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 20:47         ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58           ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03  0:04         ` Horst von Brand

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