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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 4g/4g for 2.6.6
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:04:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40B3B4C3.2050000@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405251549530.26157-100000@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2004, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> 
>>Clearly by opening enough files or enough network sockets or enough vmas
>>or similar, you can still run out of normal zone, even on a 2G system,
>>but this is not the point or you would be shipping 4:4 on the 2G systems
>>too, no?
> 
> 
> The point is, people like to run bigger workloads on
> bigger systems. Otherwise they wouldn't bother buying
> those bigger systems.
> 

Sure, and "bigger workloads" can mean a lot of small client processes 
talking to a threaded large process, like database or news, or it can be 
huge datasets, like image or multimedia processing. Unfortunately it 
seems that these all (ab)use the VM in various ways.

x86 with lots of memory is likely to remain cost effective for years, 
not only because it not only allows more memory but needs more memory in 
most cases, but because vendors will hang on to their profit margins on 
64 bit CPUs for that long. And for uses with many small client 
processes, the advantage of 64 bits is pretty small when you have 2MB 
processes. Given a bus which allows i/o to more memory, the benefits in 
performance are really hard to see.

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-25 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-23 19:43 4g/4g for 2.6.6 Phy Prabab
2004-05-23 20:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 20:51   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-24  1:55     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24  2:19       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-24  2:33         ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-05-31  9:51           ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-24  3:30         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-01  5:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-05-23 21:55   ` Phy Prabab
2004-05-24  7:05     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-24  7:11       ` Phy Prabab
2004-05-24  7:24         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-24  7:27           ` Phy Prabab
2004-05-24 12:01             ` Dave Jones
2004-05-24  2:39   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-24  8:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-24 12:48     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 19:15       ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-25 19:41         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 19:50           ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-25 20:10             ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-25 21:15               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-26 10:33                 ` 4k stacks in 2.6 Ingo Molnar
2004-05-26 12:50                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-26 12:53                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-26 13:00                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-26 13:05                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-26 16:41                           ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-27 12:45                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-27 13:59                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 14:03                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-27 14:42                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-02 19:40                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-05-27 14:18                                 ` Brian Gerst
2004-05-27 14:50                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 14:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-27 15:39                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 18:31                                       ` Guy Sotomayor
2004-05-27 19:26                                         ` Brian Gerst
2004-06-01  5:56                             ` 4k stacks in 2.6 [worst offenders] Jörn Engel
2004-06-01  6:02                               ` [RFC PATCH] explicitly mark recursion count Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 12:20                                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-01 13:27                                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 13:32                                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-01 13:37                                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 19:48                                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-01 19:29                                   ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-01 19:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 13:16                                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 14:15                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 14:27                                           ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 14:45                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 15:04                                               ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 15:12                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 15:27                                                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 15:52                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 16:17                                                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 16:25                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 17:17                                                           ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 17:32                                                             ` Greg KH
2004-06-02 17:46                                                               ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 14:35                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2004-06-02 18:20                                             ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 18:37                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2004-06-02 18:58                                                 ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 19:33                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 19:37                                                   ` viro
2004-06-02 19:45                                                     ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 19:59                                                       ` viro
2004-06-03  6:55                                                         ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 19:55                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 23:20                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2004-06-03  7:29                                                     ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 12:39                                 ` viro
2004-06-01 13:26                                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-07 18:14                         ` 4k stacks in 2.6 Timothy Miller
2004-06-08  6:26                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-06-08  8:45                             ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-26 18:12                     ` David S. Miller
2004-05-26 19:02                       ` Matt Mackall
2004-05-26 19:25                         ` Dave Jones
2004-05-25 21:16               ` 4g/4g for 2.6.6 Andrew Morton
2004-05-25 21:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-25 22:09                   ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 22:20                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-25 23:10                       ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 21:04             ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2004-05-24  1:33 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-24  1:38   ` Phy Prabab
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     [not found]     ` <1ZaTh-1Zx-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-05-24 10:27       ` Thomas Glanzmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-25 19:49 Manfred Spraul
2004-05-25 19:54 ` Ingo Molnar

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