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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
Cc: Ken Ryan <linuxryan@leesburg-geeks.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pla@morecom.no
Subject: Re: mode data=journal in ext3. Is it safe to use?
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:20:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40D1D2F0.7080102@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40D1C18B.1030907@techsource.com>

Timothy Miller wrote:

> Doesn't Reiser4 do wear-leveling for flash?

No, we don't.  We do have wandering logs, so it would be feasible to 
code, but bitmap blocks and super blocks get written to the same 
locations repeatedly.

Actually, most compact flash devices DO do wear leveling, from what I 
have heard.

>
> Ken Ryan wrote:
>
>>> > > > > Data integrity is much more important for us than speed.
>>> > > > > > You might want to consider ReiserFS or one of the others 
>>> which were > designed with journaling in mind.  And I hope you're 
>>> using RAID1 or RAID5.
>>>
>>> We are using ext3 on a compact flash disk in an embedded device. So we
>>> are not using RAID systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> [I'm not subscribed, hopefully this threads]
>>
>> Um, is this a new application or have you done this before?
>>
>> It's my understanding that very few (or no) CF devices do 
>> wear-levelling internally.
>> Using a journal, especially a true data journal, seems like *the* way 
>> to wear out your
>> flash as quickly as possible.
>>
>> If you've had success using ext2 in read/write mode on flash/CF in a 
>> shipping product,
>> I for one would like to know more details!
>>
>>         ken
>>
>>
>>
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-17 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-17 14:56 mode data=journal in ext3. Is it safe to use? Ken Ryan
2004-06-17 16:06 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-17 17:20   ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2004-06-17 19:15     ` Ken Ryan
2004-06-18  6:18       ` Hans Reiser
2004-06-17 19:43     ` Daniel Egger
2004-06-17 19:59       ` Ken Ryan
2004-06-19 14:49 ` Petter Larsen
     [not found] <40FB8221D224C44393B0549DDB7A5CE83E31B1@tor.lokal.lan>
2004-06-15 18:09 ` Petter Larsen
2004-06-15 18:20   ` Eugene Crosser
2004-06-17  8:36     ` Petter Larsen
2004-06-16  7:34   ` Oleg Drokin
2004-06-17  8:27     ` Petter Larsen
2004-06-17 17:09       ` Oleg Drokin
2004-06-18  9:41         ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-18 10:15           ` Oleg Drokin
2004-06-18 11:30             ` Paulo Marques
2004-06-18 12:05               ` Oleg Drokin
2004-06-19 19:16               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-16 15:49   ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-17  0:51     ` Daniel Pittman
2004-06-17  3:02       ` Tim Connors
2004-06-17  5:35       ` Hans Reiser
2004-06-17 10:08         ` Dave Jones
2004-06-17 16:55           ` Hans Reiser
2004-06-17  8:29     ` Petter Larsen
2004-06-17 19:30       ` Daniel Egger
     [not found]       ` <87wu26mto2.fsf@enki.rimspace.net>
2004-06-27 14:17         ` Petter Larsen
2004-06-28  0:22           ` Daniel Pittman
     [not found]     ` <1805.216.148.213.196.1087426691.squirrel@www.code-visions.com>
2004-06-17 11:23       ` Petter Larsen
2004-06-17 16:26         ` Andreas Dilger

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