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From: 4Front Technologies <dev@opensound.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:12:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40D34CB2.10900@opensound.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040618190257.GN14915@schnapps.adilger.int>

Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2004  10:53 -0700, 4Front Technologies wrote:
> 
>>The issue is also SuSE's 2.6.4 kernel added the REGPARM patch which was 
>>only introduced in Linux 2.6.5 for example. Wouldn't it be better if SuSE
>>had shipped their kernel as Linux 2.6.5?. The point is what constitutes a
>>"baseline" Linux kernel?. You can add all your patches but if now the
>>kernel is more in tune with Linux 2.6.7, just call it Linux 2.6.7 - calling
>>it 2.6.5 will break a lot of software that isn't included with your kernel.
> 
> 
> We gave up trying to use kernel versions to determine what features/interface
> to use for a given kernel long ago.  Instead we have configure check for a
> particular interface and use "#ifdef HAVE_foo", not "#if LINUX_KERNEL_VERSION".
> 
> I can understand why SuSE does this - there is no way they can ship the
> "latest" kernel and still have tested it thoroughly, yet if they find a
> specific defect they need to fix it (preferrably in the same way that a
> later kernel fixes it).
> 


Andreas,

We precisely use this mechanism - we use 
/lib/modules/<version>/build/include/linux/config.h to figure such features out
but when the "build" part of the path doesn't point to the right source tree,
where do you look?. SuSE ships kernel sources "unconfigured" which means that
you have to rely on something else to tell you what the exact kernel
configuration looks like.

You can look at /proc/config.gz but that's not a standard on all distros either.


best regards

Dev Mazumdar
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-18 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-18  0:09 Stop the Linux kernel madness 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  0:20 ` Kyle McMartin
2004-06-18 14:51   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-18 14:54     ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-19  2:36     ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-18  0:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-18  0:27   ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  0:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-18  5:51     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-18 10:39     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-06-18 15:48     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2004-06-18 17:30       ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-18 17:53       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 18:28         ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 18:23           ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 18:54             ` Kyle Moffett
2004-06-18 20:31               ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-18 21:37                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-06-18 19:08             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-18 19:43             ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 19:02         ` Andreas Dilger
2004-06-18 20:12           ` 4Front Technologies [this message]
2004-06-18 19:36             ` Andreas Dilger
2004-06-18 19:40             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-18 20:29               ` David Lang
2004-06-18 20:54                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-20 12:56                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-20 22:11                   ` David Lang
2004-06-21  1:16                     ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-21  7:07                       ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-21  7:25                         ` Xavier Bestel
2004-06-21  8:27                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-21 13:12                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-22  2:06                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-22  7:54                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-22 11:19                           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-22 16:48                             ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-22 17:46                           ` V13
2004-06-19 16:35       ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-18 20:46     ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-06-18 20:59       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 22:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-19 16:36       ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-19 18:01         ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-19 21:12           ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-20 15:43           ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-18  0:39 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18  1:29   ` Nicholas S. Wourms
2004-06-18  8:27   ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-18 14:43     ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 15:13       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-18 15:33         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 17:17           ` Paul Jakma
2004-06-18 18:24             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 19:02           ` Tim Bird
2004-06-18 19:45             ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 19:46               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:05             ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 20:08               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:03                 ` jsimmons
2004-06-18 21:10                   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:13                     ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-18 21:38                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 23:18                         ` jsimmons
2004-06-19  8:19                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-19  3:34                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-22 13:24                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 22:05                   ` viro
2004-06-18 22:10                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-19 12:42                   ` Francois Romieu
2004-06-19 13:55                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-20 10:21                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-06-22 19:34                     ` jsimmons
2004-06-18 20:20               ` Tim Bird
2004-06-18 20:50                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:05             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:03           ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-19 12:09           ` John Jasen
2004-06-19 12:29             ` lkml
     [not found]       ` <2c0942db040618100264ea6b7d@mail.gmail.com>
2004-06-18 17:27         ` Ray Lee
2004-06-18 20:51       ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18 21:03         ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 21:26           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:17         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-19 20:59           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-06-18  0:44 ` viro
2004-06-18  1:00   ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  1:20     ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18  1:33       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 10:12         ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 17:37           ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-18 20:26             ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 21:52             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 22:26               ` Matt Domsch
2004-06-18 23:13                 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-19  8:44               ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-19  2:59             ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-18  9:57       ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-18 13:47         ` Olaf Hering
2004-06-18 14:03           ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-18 14:59             ` Duncan Sands
2004-06-18  1:20     ` viro
2004-06-18  1:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-18  1:31     ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-18  1:37       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  1:41         ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-18  2:17         ` Erik Harrison
2004-06-18  7:45         ` John Bradford
2004-06-18  9:05           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18  1:34     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-18 10:51       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-06-18  8:48     ` Flavio Stanchina
2004-06-18 10:25     ` Matthias Andree
2004-06-20  5:28       ` Ryan Anderson
2004-06-20  8:13         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-06-22 15:17         ` Matthias Andree
2004-06-22 18:22           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-18 15:42     ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18  1:07 ` thinkliberty
2004-06-18  1:12   ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  1:21     ` CaT
2004-06-18  1:37     ` Bastiaan Spandaw
2004-06-18  1:46       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  2:06         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]           ` <40D259DD.6020604@opensound.com>
2004-06-18 22:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-18  5:54         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18  8:50         ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-18 11:05         ` Redeeman
2004-06-18 15:25         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 15:51         ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 16:53           ` Alex Goddard
2004-06-18 15:46     ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18  6:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-06-18  8:10 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-06-18 15:34 ` Timothy Miller
     [not found] ` <mailman.1087541100.18231.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2004-06-18 19:47   ` Pete Zaitcev
2004-06-19 16:35     ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-19 20:52       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-06-20 15:43         ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-20 20:44           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-10-08  4:43 2.6.19-rc1: known regressions (v2) Trond Myklebust
2006-10-08  4:55 ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]   ` <1160283948.10192.3.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>
2006-10-08  6:39     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08  7:45       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-10-08 17:28         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 17:34           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-08 17:59             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 18:04               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-08 18:15                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 18:22                   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-09  1:49             ` Horst H. von Brand
2004-06-22 14:38 Stop the Linux kernel madness Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-22 15:12 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-22 17:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-22 18:42     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-22 19:52       ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-23 14:58       ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-23 15:03         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-23 16:03           ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-23 18:26             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-23 18:27               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-05-28  1:55 ftp.kernel.org Ricky Beam
2004-05-28  2:29 ` ftp.kernel.org Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-28  4:21   ` ftp.kernel.org Ricky Beam
2004-05-28  8:41     ` ftp.kernel.org Mark Watts
2004-05-28  6:21       ` ftp.kernel.org Chris Shoemaker
2004-05-28 15:01         ` ftp.kernel.org Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 16:32           ` ftp.kernel.org Andreas Dilger
2004-05-29 15:30             ` ftp.kernel.org Daniel Egger
2004-05-30  0:29               ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-30  9:43                 ` ftp.kernel.org Andrew Walrond
2004-06-13 22:22                 ` ftp.kernel.org Pedro Larroy
2004-05-28 19:08           ` ftp.kernel.org Chris Shoemaker
2004-05-28 22:15           ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-28  8:55       ` ftp.kernel.org Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-05-28 11:10         ` ftp.kernel.org Mark Watts
2004-05-28 13:57           ` ftp.kernel.org Keith Owens
2004-05-28 22:16           ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-29 21:05         ` ftp.kernel.org Horst von Brand
2004-05-30  6:52           ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-28 22:17 ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin

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