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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Staircase scheduler v7.4
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:36:38 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40E0F1D6.5090506@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1088442705.1699.7.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com>

Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 22:11 +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> 
> 
>>The design of staircase would make renicing normal interactive things
>>- -ve values bad for the latency of other nice 0 tasks s is not
>>recommended for X or games etc. Initial scheduling latency is very
>>dependent on nice value in staircase. If you set a cpu hog to nice -5 it
>>will hurt audio at nice 0 and so on. Nicing latency unimportant things
>>with +ve values is more useful with this design. If you run X and
>>evolution at the same nice value they will get equal cpu share for
>>example so moving windows means redrawing evolution and X moving get
>>equal cpu. Nicing evolution +ve will make X smoother compared to
>>evolution redrawing and so on...
> 
> 
> OK, just a few thoughts...
> 
> 1. Both -mm3 and -np2 suffer from delays when redrawing "damaged"
> windows (windows which were covered and now are being exposed): while
> moving heavily a window over the screen, "damaged" windows are not
> redrawn. I would say this is a sign of starvation. However, this does
> not happen with -ck3 that is able to redraw "damaged' windows even while
> heavily moving a window all over the screen.
> 
> I can see this by looking at some icons that are lying on my desktop.
> With -mm3 and -np2, they are hardly redrawn while heavily moving a
> window all around. With -ck3, I can see the icons and their respective
> labels all the time.
> 
> 2. Both -mm3 and -np2 show a very smooth behavior when moving windows
> all around the screen. However, -ck3 is somewhat a little bit jerky. I
> think this is a consequence of point number 1.
> 

Try having X at a lower priority (higher nice) and it shouldn't get
as much of the CPU. I think this is really a fundamental tradeoff
that you can't do much about.

> 3. Both -mm3 and -ck3 are inmune to CPU hogs when mantaining
> interactivity: running "while true; do a=2; done" doesn't seem to affect
> the interactive behavior of them. I check this by running this CPU hog
> and hovering my mouse over KXDocker, which is a nice applet for KDE
> similar to the Mac OS X docker. KXDocker is another CPU hog by itself,
> but plays nicely with the "while true" loop. However, -np2 seems to
> suffer a little bit from starvation, as KXDocker animations don't feel
> smooth.
> 

Hmm, in that case bash should go straight down to lowest priority,
so it shouldn't impact too much on others' CPU usage... I'll see
what I can do though, timeslices could still be a little too big.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-29  4:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-25 16:40 [PATCH] Staircase scheduler v7.4 Michael Buesch
2004-06-25 16:46 ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-25 18:44   ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-25 19:05     ` Willy Tarreau
2004-06-25 19:48       ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-26  1:11         ` kernel
2004-06-26 16:33           ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-26 17:29           ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-27  9:14             ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 19:17             ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-27 19:28               ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-27 21:55                 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-28  0:15                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-28  8:40                     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-28  8:49                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-28 11:53                         ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-28 12:11                           ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-28 15:03                             ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2004-06-28 15:19                               ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-28 15:39                                 ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2004-06-28 17:11                             ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-06-29  4:36                               ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-06-28 23:21                         ` Peter Williams
2004-06-29  4:44                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-29  6:01                             ` Ed Sweetman
2004-06-29  6:55                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-26  2:05         ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 10:24         ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 10:27           ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 23:50             ` Peter Williams
2004-06-27 12:00         ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 12:04           ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 12:54             ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-27 13:15               ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-25 16:46 ` Michael Buesch
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-25 14:38 Con Kolivas
2004-06-25 18:32 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-06-26  1:28   ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-25 22:20 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-06-26  1:05   ` kernel
2004-06-26 20:04 ` Wes Janzen
2004-06-26 20:11   ` Michael Buesch
2004-06-26 21:14     ` Wes Janzen
2004-06-26 21:38       ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-06-27  9:16   ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-27 11:40     ` Grzegorz Kulewski

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