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From: Benno Senoner <sbenno@gardena.net>
To: "The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List" 
	<linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	arjanv@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel	Preemption Patch
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:26:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40F3E31D.9020504@gardena.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1089677823.10777.64.camel@mindpipe>

Lee Revell wrote:

>On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 19:31, Andrew Morton wrote:
>  
>
>>
>>OK, thanks.  The problem areas there are the timer-based route cache
>>flushing and reiserfs.
>>
>>We can probably fix the route caceh thing by rescheduling the timer after
>>having handled 1000 routes or whatever, although I do wonder if this is a
>>thing we really need to bother about - what else was that machine up to?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Gnutella client.  Forgot about that.  I agree, it is not reasonable to
>expect low latency with this kind of network traffic happening.  I am
>impressed it worked as well as it did.
>  
>

Why not reasonable ? It is very important that networking and HD I/O 
both don't interfere with low latency audio.
Think about large audio setups where you use PC hardware to act as 
dedicated samplers, software synthesizers etc.
Such clusters might be diskless and communicate with a GBit ethernet 
with a high performance file server and
in some cases lots of network I/O might occur during audio playback. So 
having latency spikes during network I/O
would be a big showstopper for many apps in certain setups.
Even ardour if run on a diskless client would need low latency while 
doing network I/O because it does lots of disk I/O
which on the diskless client translate to lots of network I/O.
Typical use could be educational or research institutions where diskless 
clients drastically lower the cost of managing large number
of boxes and allow sharing of resources. See the LTSP project.

Other low latency while high network I/O uses are video conferencing 
applications, diskless settop boxes that stream
videos over IP etc.

Therefore low level network kernel develeopers think about us poor real 
time multimedia souls :)

cheers,
Benno
http://www.linuxsampler.org



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-07-13 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 271+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-09 18:26 [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Ingo Molnar
2004-07-09 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-09 23:50   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  0:52     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  1:02       ` Dave Jones
2004-07-12 10:17       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 19:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13  7:43           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-10  6:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:10       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10  8:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 10:36           ` [patch] voluntary-preempt 2.6.8-rc2-H4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  1:38             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-07-20  6:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:36       ` [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 12:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:12     ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 15:14       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 15:18         ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:07           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  7:09             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:16             ` [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  9:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 16:18       ` [announce] [patch] " Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  6:47         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  6:59           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 11:18             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-11  7:09           ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 14:27           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 17:29               ` André Goddard Rosa
2004-07-11 17:49                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 21:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 21:25                     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 20:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-12  8:23                 ` Voluntary Preemption + concurent games Aivils
2004-07-12  9:51                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-12 10:45                     ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-07-12 11:52                     ` Aivils
2004-07-12 13:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 14:15               ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Chris Friesen
2004-07-12 14:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-09 21:13 ` Redeeman
2004-07-10  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 10:55       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 11:26         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:01           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 12:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:09             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 12:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 12:58           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 13:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 14:45               ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 14:57                 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 10:48         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 13:09           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 13:14             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-09 21:36 ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-07-10  8:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  1:00 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10  1:04   ` Dave Jones
2004-07-10 12:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  5:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:45     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:58         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 10:42             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-11 11:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 18:07                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-12  7:08                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-19 10:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 23:12             ` Robert Love
2004-07-12 22:40       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-12 13:24   ` John Stoffel
2004-07-12 22:56   ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-12 23:31     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-12 23:58       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:06         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  0:21           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-13  1:01           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Lee Revell
2004-07-13  7:49             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  8:12               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:01       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:08         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 18:42             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 21:29               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:45                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14  8:51                   ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14  9:36                     ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:48                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 14:52                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 16:29                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:26                     ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 18:48             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 21:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:01                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:25                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:44                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:53                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 23:18                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:32                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-14  0:40                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-14  0:45                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-19 11:59                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 22:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-02 22:20                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 23:03                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 23:21                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-13  7:58         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  0:17       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:46         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  2:52           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  3:59             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  7:57               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-19 10:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 11:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  5:38                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  6:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  6:59                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                           ` <200407202011.20558.musical_snake@gmx.de>
2004-07-20 19:56                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 23:49                               ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-21  0:32                                 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-21  1:25                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-21 21:38                                     ` Another dumb question about " Timothy Miller
2004-07-24  0:25                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 20:19                                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 20:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:53                                   ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 11:18                                     ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-21 12:04                                       ` pci gfx card / jack xruns / pci latencies (was: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch) Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 17:49                                     ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
2004-07-22 22:25                                     ` Andrew McGregor
2004-07-22 23:16                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 14:27                                   ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-20 12:19                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-20 21:32                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  4:07                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  5:46                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:33                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 22:49                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 23:30                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 11:27                             ` max request size 1024KiB by default? Rudo Thomas
2004-07-24 22:58                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-26 19:29                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-07-27  5:15                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-24 12:41                           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Mark Lord
2004-07-24  4:58                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:31               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  8:53                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:00                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:21                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:25                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:33                           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:44                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:23                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:29                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 20:37                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:32                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:07           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 22:40           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-13 23:47             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-07-19 10:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  3:27             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  7:03               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-21  4:58                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  5:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:03                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  8:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  8:52                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 11:32                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 15:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  4:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22  7:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 10:54                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 16:23                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 22:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  6:45                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  6:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  7:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:28                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:34                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:46                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 19:56                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:08                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:47                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:28                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  7:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:53                                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:45                                         ` Bill Huey
2004-07-28  6:45                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-28 20:52                                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 18:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-29 18:36                                                 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-29 19:17                                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 19:25                                                     ` Bill Huey
2004-07-30  2:23                                             ` Eric St-Laurent
2004-07-29 20:26                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 20:57                                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 21:00                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 21:07                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:52                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:32                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 20:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 18:30                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:32                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  9:51                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:36                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:11                                 ` Robert Love
2004-07-21 21:00                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:14                             ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:31                               ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:37                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 10:06                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 16:00                                 ` scheduling while atomic (Re: voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9) Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 16:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 17:24                                     ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 17:52                                       ` Matt Heler
2004-07-22 17:54                                       ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:01                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:37                                               ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-23 10:42                                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 10:58                                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 11:04                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 11:28                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24  0:16                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-23 11:42                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 12:00                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 15:36                                                         ` Dang, Linh [CAR:2X23:EXCH]
2004-07-23 23:48                                                         ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-26 11:10                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-26 12:27                                                             ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-22 18:31                                           ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Robert Love
2004-07-22 18:32                                           ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:00                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:07                 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:14                 ` Roger Luethi
2004-07-13  0:58         ` Jan Depner
2004-07-13  1:00           ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  3:31         ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-13  6:31           ` Paul Winkler
2004-07-13 13:26         ` Benno Senoner [this message]
2004-07-13 14:50           ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 19:45           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:17           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-16  4:50   ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-16 12:49     ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 21:53 ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-13 15:16 [linux-audio-dev] " Shane Shrybman

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