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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu, arjanv@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"La Monte H.P. Yarroll" <piggy@timesys.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:54:09 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40FF9CD1.7050705@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040722070743.GA7553@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Given that we're looking for something acceptable for 2.6, how about
>>adding
>>
>>if (rt_task(current))
>>	kick ksoftirqd instead
>>
>>Otherwise, what is the performance penalty of doing all softirq
>>processing from ksoftirqd?
> 
> 
> this is insufficient too. An RT task might be _waiting to run_ and
> spending our time in a non-RT context (including the idle task) doing
> softirq processing might delay it indefinitely.
> 
> what we could do is to add a rq->nr_running_rt and do the deferred
> softirq processing unconditionally if (rq->nr_running_rt). I'd still add
> a sysctl to make it unconditional for user processes too - if someone
> really cares about latency and doesnt want to make all his tasks RT. 
> I'll code this up for the next version of the patch.
> 

Or just if (rt_task || need_resched). Another thing that may be
worthwhile thinking about is allowing softirqs to be run directly
from interrupt if the idle thread is running, maybe with an early
exit if something becomes runnable. Although this all may be going
down the path of too much complexity.

Maybe just the simple approach of "if you care about hard latency
then let ksoftirq do everything" is best?

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-22 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 271+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-09 18:26 [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Ingo Molnar
2004-07-09 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-09 23:50   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  0:52     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  1:02       ` Dave Jones
2004-07-12 10:17       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 19:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13  7:43           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-10  6:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:10       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10  8:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 10:36           ` [patch] voluntary-preempt 2.6.8-rc2-H4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  1:38             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-07-20  6:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:36       ` [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 12:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:12     ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 15:14       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 15:18         ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:07           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  7:09             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:16             ` [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  9:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 16:18       ` [announce] [patch] " Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  6:47         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  6:59           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 11:18             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-11  7:09           ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 14:27           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 17:29               ` André Goddard Rosa
2004-07-11 17:49                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 21:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 21:25                     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 20:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-12  8:23                 ` Voluntary Preemption + concurent games Aivils
2004-07-12  9:51                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-12 10:45                     ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-07-12 11:52                     ` Aivils
2004-07-12 13:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 14:15               ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Chris Friesen
2004-07-12 14:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-09 21:13 ` Redeeman
2004-07-10  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 10:55       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 11:26         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:01           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 12:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:09             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 12:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 12:58           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 13:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 14:45               ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 14:57                 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 10:48         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 13:09           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 13:14             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-09 21:36 ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-07-10  8:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  1:00 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10  1:04   ` Dave Jones
2004-07-10 12:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  5:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:45     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:58         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 10:42             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-11 11:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 18:07                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-12  7:08                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-19 10:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 23:12             ` Robert Love
2004-07-12 22:40       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-12 13:24   ` John Stoffel
2004-07-12 22:56   ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-12 23:31     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-12 23:58       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:06         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  0:21           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-13  1:01           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Lee Revell
2004-07-13  7:49             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  8:12               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:01       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:08         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 18:42             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 21:29               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:45                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14  8:51                   ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14  9:36                     ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:48                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 14:52                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 16:29                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:26                     ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 18:48             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 21:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:01                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:25                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:44                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:53                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 23:18                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:32                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-14  0:40                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-14  0:45                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-19 11:59                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 22:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-02 22:20                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 23:03                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 23:21                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-13  7:58         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  0:17       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:46         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  2:52           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  3:59             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  7:57               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-19 10:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 11:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  5:38                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  6:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  6:59                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                           ` <200407202011.20558.musical_snake@gmx.de>
2004-07-20 19:56                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 23:49                               ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-21  0:32                                 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-21  1:25                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-21 21:38                                     ` Another dumb question about " Timothy Miller
2004-07-24  0:25                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 20:19                                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 20:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:53                                   ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 11:18                                     ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-21 12:04                                       ` pci gfx card / jack xruns / pci latencies (was: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch) Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 17:49                                     ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
2004-07-22 22:25                                     ` Andrew McGregor
2004-07-22 23:16                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 14:27                                   ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-20 12:19                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-20 21:32                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  4:07                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  5:46                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:33                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 22:49                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 23:30                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 11:27                             ` max request size 1024KiB by default? Rudo Thomas
2004-07-24 22:58                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-26 19:29                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-07-27  5:15                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-24 12:41                           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Mark Lord
2004-07-24  4:58                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:31               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  8:53                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:00                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:21                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:25                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:33                           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:44                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:23                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:29                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 20:37                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:32                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:07           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 22:40           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-13 23:47             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-07-19 10:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  3:27             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  7:03               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-21  4:58                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  5:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:03                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  8:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  8:52                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 11:32                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 15:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  4:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22  7:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 10:54                                 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-07-22 16:23                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 22:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  6:45                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  6:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  7:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:28                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:34                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:46                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 19:56                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:08                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:47                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:28                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  7:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:53                                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:45                                         ` Bill Huey
2004-07-28  6:45                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-28 20:52                                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 18:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-29 18:36                                                 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-29 19:17                                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 19:25                                                     ` Bill Huey
2004-07-30  2:23                                             ` Eric St-Laurent
2004-07-29 20:26                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 20:57                                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 21:00                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 21:07                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:52                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:32                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 20:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 18:30                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:32                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  9:51                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:36                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:11                                 ` Robert Love
2004-07-21 21:00                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:14                             ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:31                               ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:37                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 10:06                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 16:00                                 ` scheduling while atomic (Re: voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9) Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 16:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 17:24                                     ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 17:52                                       ` Matt Heler
2004-07-22 17:54                                       ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:01                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:37                                               ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-23 10:42                                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 10:58                                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 11:04                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 11:28                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24  0:16                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-23 11:42                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 12:00                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 15:36                                                         ` Dang, Linh [CAR:2X23:EXCH]
2004-07-23 23:48                                                         ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-26 11:10                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-26 12:27                                                             ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-22 18:31                                           ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Robert Love
2004-07-22 18:32                                           ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:00                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:07                 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:14                 ` Roger Luethi
2004-07-13  0:58         ` Jan Depner
2004-07-13  1:00           ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  3:31         ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-13  6:31           ` Paul Winkler
2004-07-13 13:26         ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 14:50           ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 19:45           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:17           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-16  4:50   ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-16 12:49     ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 21:53 ` Timothy Miller
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2004-07-13 15:16 [linux-audio-dev] " Shane Shrybman

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