From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@exanet.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Deadlock during heavy write activity to userspace NFS server on local NFS mount
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:29:12 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4108B558.2050905@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4107927E.9070406@exanet.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Nick Piggin wrote:
>
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Nick Piggin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> What's stopping the NFS server from ooming the machine then? Every
>>>>> time some bit of memory becomes free, the server will consume it
>>>>> instantly. Eventually ext3 will not be able to write anything out
>>>>> because it is out of memory.
>>>>>
>>>> The NFS server should do the writeout a page at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The NFS server writes not only in response to page reclaim (as a
>>> local NFS client), but also in response to pressure from non-local
>>> clients. If both ext3 and NFS have the same allocation limits, NFS
>>> may starve out ext3.
>>>
>>
>> What do you mean starve out ext3? ext3 gets written to *by the NFS
>> server*
>> which is PF_MEMALLOC.
>
>
> When the NFS server writes, it allocates pagecache and temporary
> objects. When ext3 writes, it allocates temporary objects. If the NFS
> server writes too much, ext3 can't allocate memory, and will never be
> able to allocate memory.
>
That is because your NFS server shouldn't hog as much memory as
it likes when it is PF_MEMALLOC. The entire writeout path should
do a page at a time if it is PF_MEMALLOC. Ie, the server should
be doing write, fsync.
But now that I think about it, I guess you may not be able to
distinguish that from regular writeout, so doing a page at a time
would hurt performance too much.
Hmm so I guess the idea of a per task reserve limit may be the way
to do it, yes. Thanks for bearing with me!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-07-29 8:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-26 13:11 [PATCH] Deadlock during heavy write activity to userspace NFS server on local NFS mount Avi Kivity
2004-07-26 21:02 ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-27 20:22 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-27 20:34 ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-27 21:02 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 1:29 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-28 2:17 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-07-28 5:13 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 5:11 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 5:29 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-28 7:05 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 7:16 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-28 7:45 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 9:05 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-28 10:11 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 10:30 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-28 11:48 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-29 8:29 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-07-29 12:19 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-07-29 16:09 ` Avi Kivity
2004-07-28 12:08 ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-28 12:18 ` Avi Kivity
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