Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[Joerg Schilling]

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>From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>

>Don't be naive. How do you discuss changes with him? The one patch I did
>create against the SUSE cdrecord for the one shipped with SL9.1 adds a
>note to use ATA over ATAPI since that is preferred, and it kills the
>silly open-by-devname warnings that are extremely confusing to users. I
>did send that back to Joerg, to no avail.

You never send such mail.... but you told me that that you liked me to
_remove_ warnings. 
Note that I also output warnings on Solaris if users use suboptimal interfaces.



>> While they (and any other distro's people and anybody else) may
>> actually hack the code to no end, I consider it being good habit to

>By far the largest modification is dvd support, which we of course need
>to ship. The rest is really minor stuff.

This "dvd support" has beed proved to be defective and it has also been proved
that it breaks CD support.

You don't like to see cdrecord to become worse do you?


Jörg

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[OT] Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[Nigel Rantor]

Hi all,

Just a quick, hopefully unpartisan, reminder that people who are 
interested in getting things done rather than feeding trolls would 
probably feel a lot less stressed out if they moved on to other, 
possibly more constructive, things on their todo list than fanning the 
flames of this thread.

   N

p.s. Not to say I haven't enjoyed reading it :-)

Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[Richard B. Johnson]

Sorry to break into this wonderful conversation, but it seems
I have all the actors corralled in one place.

The fascist US government forced 321software out-of-business. It
was a company that provided software that could copy DVDs.

Does any of the DVD software that you people provide have potential
problems along this line? If so, this is something that should
be addressed, perhaps instead of whether or not the Linux software
opens a "device" or not.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.

Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[Patrick McFarland]

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:05:23 -0400 (EDT), Richard B. Johnson
<root@chaos.analogic.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to break into this wonderful conversation, but it seems
> I have all the actors corralled in one place.
> 
> The fascist US government forced 321software out-of-business. It
> was a company that provided software that could copy DVDs.

If you're saying that they'll sue us (us as in authors of "evil"
software), then I doubt they will, simply for one reason. MPAA
proponents aren't smart enough to use Linux.

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"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd 
all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to
repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989

Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[Jens Axboe]

On Tue, Aug 10 2004, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
> 
> >Don't be naive. How do you discuss changes with him? The one patch I did
> >create against the SUSE cdrecord for the one shipped with SL9.1 adds a
> >note to use ATA over ATAPI since that is preferred, and it kills the
> >silly open-by-devname warnings that are extremely confusing to users. I
> >did send that back to Joerg, to no avail.
> 
> You never send such mail.... but you told me that that you liked me to
> _remove_ warnings.  Note that I also output warnings on Solaris if
> users use suboptimal interfaces.

Ehm yes, aren't you contradicting yourself? Here's the mail I'm
referring to:

From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:50:16 +0100
To: schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de
Subject: open by devname

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Hi Joerg,

With 2.6 and SG_IO for generic block devices, it's pretty annoying and
confusing to users that cdrecord outputs:

"Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported."

This leads them to think they did something wrong, which they really
didn't. Any chance you could be talked into taking that message out?

--------

Nothing fruitful came of it, so patch stayed in the SUSE rpm.

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: [OT] Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[Joerg Schilling]

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>From wiggly@wiggly.org  Tue Aug 10 18:03:46 2004

>Just a quick, hopefully unpartisan, reminder that people who are 
>interested in getting things done rather than feeding trolls would 

Nice word to the end!

I propose that I'll stop feeding trolls.


Jörg

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Re: [OT] Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Joerg Schilling wrote:
>>From wiggly@wiggly.org  Tue Aug 10 18:03:46 2004
> 
> 
>>Just a quick, hopefully unpartisan, reminder that people who are 
>>interested in getting things done rather than feeding trolls would 
> 
> 
> Nice word to the end!
> 
> I propose that I'll stop feeding trolls.

I propose that I stop eating... ;-)