From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267509AbUHSXJQ (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:09:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267493AbUHSXJB (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:09:01 -0400 Received: from opersys.com ([64.40.108.71]:36623 "EHLO www.opersys.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267510AbUHSXIM (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4125312F.7020108@opersys.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:01:03 -0400 From: Karim Yaghmour Reply-To: karim@opersys.com Organization: Opersys inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miles Lane CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Zanussi , Richard J Moore , Robert Wisniewski , Michel Dagenais Subject: Re: DTrace-like analysis possible with future Linux kernels? References: <200408191822.48297.miles.lane@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <200408191822.48297.miles.lane@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Miles Lane wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/08/dtrace_user_take/: > > "Sun sees DTrace as a big advantage for Solaris over other versions of Unix > and Linux." We've been pushing for the inclusion of the Linux Trace Toolkit in the kernel for the past 5 years. As of late, it seems that the pending argument against its inclusion is: How is this useful to end users? In answer to that, I had already posted the same pointer as above: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=108938594031379&w=2 Since then, I've had the chance to discuss this matter at the Kernel Summit, and again I was told that this was a sales problem (i.e. it must be demonstrated that this is actually useful to users.) So, as the developers of the Linux Trace Toolkit, it would help us a lot if you could explain to this list why the sort of functionality provided by DTrace is something you would personally find useful. Thanks, Karim -- Author, Speaker, Developer, Consultant Pushing Embedded and Real-Time Linux Systems Beyond the Limits http://www.opersys.com || karim@opersys.com || 1-866-677-4546