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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:16:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <413E170F.9000204@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040831131201.GA1609@elf.ucw.cz>

Pavel Machek wrote:

>Hi!
>
>  
>
>>Answer: choose obscure names
>>
>>Problem (all credit to Mr. Demidov for identifying this problem, I
>>argued the other viewpoint, and I can only claim the wisdom to know
>>that I lost the argument): names like "..metas" are ugly to new users,
>>who don't really care for languages that use punctuation in their
>>keywords.
>>
>>Answer
>>
>>don't make them too obscure, experienced namespace developers know
>>that the problem of polluting the namespace is not really as big a
>>deal as beginners think it is, and Clearcase and the WAFL filesystem
>>manage to get by just fine, whereas the problem of putting punctuation
>>marks into names and syntax is a big deal for newbies to the system.
>>Name it "metas" not "..metas", and users will never experience it as a
>>real problem, and newbies will never be annoyed by a-rhythmic
>>punctuation.  Note: if Linus disagrees, it is not the most important
>>thing in this design, "..metas" isn't the end of the world.
>>    
>>
>
>What about choosing just "..." instead of "metas"? "metas" is string
>that needs translation etc, while "..." is nicely neutral.
>
>cat /sound_of_silence.mp3/.../author
>
>does not look bad, either...
>								Pavel
>  
>
"..." is pretty good, but I think it has been used by others, but I 
really forget who.  I could live with "...", but I think "metas" and 
"..metas" will collide less often.  Apparently Meta is a finnish name or 
something, so Linus does not like it.  The exact string is really not 
very important to me.  I agree that "..." is elegant.

Hans

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-07 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-29 20:21 silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why Hans Reiser
2004-08-31 13:12 ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-31 13:36   ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-09-07 20:16   ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2004-09-07 20:59     ` Pavel Machek
2004-09-08  9:14       ` Romano Giannetti
2004-09-07 21:05     ` William Stearns
2004-09-07 22:09       ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-09-09  9:03         ` silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat " Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-09 17:23           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 18:09           ` Gunnar Ritter
2004-09-09 19:15           ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-09 20:45             ` Paul Jakma
2004-09-10  0:57               ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  1:15                 ` Paul Jakma
2004-09-10  5:04                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  5:53                     ` viro
2004-09-10  6:52                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  7:05                         ` viro
2004-09-10  7:30                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 16:49                             ` Lee Revell
2004-09-10 17:23                               ` viro
2004-09-10  7:21                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  7:33                         ` viro
2004-09-10  7:46                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  8:18                             ` viro
2004-09-10  9:20                     ` Alan Cox
2004-09-10 17:48                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 17:07                         ` Alan Cox
2004-09-10 13:08                     ` Horst von Brand
2004-09-10  3:22                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-09-12 20:43             ` Davide Inglima
2004-09-10  9:42           ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-10 17:42             ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]             ` <20040910201738.GB8698@eskimo.com>
2004-09-14  8:39               ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-31 14:09 ` silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what " Mike Waychison
2004-08-31 17:55 ` V13
2004-08-31 18:17   ` Spam
2004-08-31 19:08     ` Tonnerre
2004-08-31 19:38       ` Spam
2004-09-01  3:11         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-08-31 19:35     ` V13
     [not found]       ` <874qmjm51g.fsf@uhoreg.ca>
2004-08-31 20:31         ` Spam
     [not found]           ` <87vfezkm06.fsf@uhoreg.ca>
2004-08-31 22:15             ` Spam
2004-08-31 19:49   ` Chris Dawes
2004-09-01  6:03   ` Hans Reiser

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