From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268293AbUIKUAA (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:00:00 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268299AbUIKUAA (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:00:00 -0400 Received: from wsip-68-14-253-125.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.14.253.125]:46273 "EHLO office.labsysgrp.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268293AbUIKT76 (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:59:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4143593D.9050402@backtobasicsmgmt.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:59:57 -0700 From: "Kevin P. Fleming" Organization: Back To Basics Network Management User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Denis Vlasenko CC: Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: udevd shall inform us abot trouble References: <200409081018.43626.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> <200409111943.21225.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> <41433A68.7090403@backtobasicsmgmt.com> <200409112122.36068.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> In-Reply-To: <200409112122.36068.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Denis Vlasenko wrote: > As a user, I prefer to be able to use device right away after > modprobe. Imagine ethN appearing "sometime after" modprobe. > Would you like such behavior? Imagine that the device isn't plugged in when modprobe is run, but is plugged in later. Imagine that the device is plugged in when modprobe is run, but some intermediate device (for example a USB hub) is not working, so when you correct if the device appears. There are many more scenarios where true hotplug-based initialization makes more sense than otherwise.