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From: George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.de>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sourceforge.net>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	tim@physik3.uni-rostock.de, Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	David Mosberger <davidm@hpl.hp.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	paulus@samba.org, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, jimix@us.ibm.com,
	keith maanthey <kmannth@us.ibm.com>, greg kh <greg@kroah.com>,
	Patricia Gaughen <gone@us.ibm.com>,
	Chris McDermott <lcm@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday core subsystem (v.A0)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:54:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <414881C2.4090909@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040915085450.GA5242@dominikbrodowski.de>

Dominik Brodowski wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 01:04:04AM -0700, George Anzinger wrote:
> 
>>>One could do this but we want to have a tickless system. The tick is only
>>>necessary if the time needs to be adjusted.
>>
>>I really think a tickless system, for other than UML systems, is a loosing 
>>thing.  The accounting overhead on context switch (which increases as the 
>>number of switchs per second) will cause more overhead than a periodic 
>>accounting tick once a respectable load appears.
> 
> 			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> On a largely idle system (like notebooks on battery power in typical use)
> the accounting overhead will be less a problem. However, the CPU being 
> woken up each millisecond will cause an increased battery usage. So if 
> the load is less than a certain threshold, tickless systems do make much 
> sense.

At MontaVista I have been working on a thing we call VST which looks ahead in 
the timer list and, finding nothing for N ticks, turns off the ticker until that 
time.  It is not tickless, unless the system is idle, but then it can go 
tickless for as long as the max value that can be programmed on the wakeup 
timer.  Interrupts prior to that time will, of course, also wake the system.

Seems like the best of both worlds to me.

An early version of this is on the HRT sourceforge site.


-- 
George Anzinger   george@mvista.com
High-res-timers:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/
Preemption patch: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml


  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-15 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-02 21:07 [RFC] New Time of day proposal (updated 9/2/04) john stultz
2004-09-02 21:09 ` [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday core subsystem (v.A0) john stultz
2004-09-02 21:11   ` [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday i386 hooks (v.A0) john stultz
2004-09-02 21:12     ` [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday i386 timesources (v.A0) john stultz
2004-09-03  1:44     ` [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday i386 hooks (v.A0) George Anzinger
2004-09-03  2:06       ` john stultz
2004-09-03  8:07       ` Ulrich Windl
2004-09-03 18:09         ` George Anzinger
2004-09-02 22:19   ` [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday core subsystem (v.A0) Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 22:28     ` john stultz
2004-09-02 22:42       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 23:14         ` john stultz
2004-09-02 23:39           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03  0:07             ` john stultz
2004-09-03  0:47               ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03  1:30                 ` john stultz
2004-09-03  7:43                   ` George Anzinger
2004-09-03 19:32                     ` john stultz
2004-09-03 16:18                   ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03 21:00                     ` john stultz
2004-09-03 22:04                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03 23:00                         ` john stultz
2004-09-04  0:11                           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03  1:39   ` George Anzinger
2004-09-03  1:58     ` john stultz
2004-09-03  6:42     ` Albert Cahalan
2004-09-03  7:24       ` George Anzinger
2004-09-03 19:27         ` john stultz
2004-09-03 22:10           ` George Anzinger
2004-09-03 23:32             ` john stultz
2004-09-04  0:02               ` George Anzinger
2004-09-08 18:07                 ` john stultz
2004-09-09  0:08                   ` George Anzinger
2004-09-09  0:51                     ` john stultz
2004-09-09  3:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-09  3:32                         ` john stultz
2004-09-09  4:31                           ` George Anzinger
2004-09-09  6:37                             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-09  8:09                               ` George Anzinger
2004-09-09 19:07                             ` john stultz
2004-09-09 20:49                               ` George Anzinger
2004-09-13 21:29                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-13 22:25                                   ` john stultz
2004-09-13 22:45                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-14  6:53                                       ` Ulrich Windl
2004-09-14 17:49                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15  0:57                                       ` George Anzinger
2004-09-15  3:32                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15  8:04                                           ` George Anzinger
2004-09-15  8:54                                             ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-09-15 17:54                                               ` George Anzinger [this message]
2004-09-15  9:12                                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-15 15:46                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15 18:00                                               ` George Anzinger
2004-09-15 18:28                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15  6:46                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15 16:32                                           ` john stultz
2004-09-15 16:46                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15 17:13                                               ` john stultz
2004-09-15 17:30                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-15 18:48                                                   ` john stultz
2004-09-15 19:58                                                     ` George Anzinger
2004-09-15 20:20                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-16  7:02                                                     ` Ulrich Windl
2004-09-03 19:18       ` john stultz
2004-09-02 22:09 ` [RFC] New Time of day proposal (updated 9/2/04) Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 22:22   ` john stultz
2004-09-02 22:47     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03  9:54 ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-09-03 19:41   ` john stultz
2004-09-03 20:26     ` Dominik Brodowski
2004-09-03 21:05       ` john stultz
2004-09-06  6:26       ` Ulrich Windl
2004-09-06 11:56         ` Alan Cox
2004-09-07 16:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-03 15:17 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-03 20:11   ` john stultz
2004-09-04 13:00     ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 16:10       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-07 18:24         ` George Anzinger
2004-09-07 20:55           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-07 21:42             ` George Anzinger
2004-09-08  6:26           ` Ulrich Windl
2004-09-08 18:25       ` john stultz
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     [not found] ` <1094224071.431.7758.camel@cube>
2004-09-06  6:08   ` [RFC][PATCH] new timeofday core subsystem (v.A0) Ulrich Windl
2004-09-12 17:11     ` Albert Cahalan

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