[PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Rusty Russell (IBM)]

Name: Warn that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away
Status: Trivial
Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

At the recent netfilter workshop in Erlangen, we was decided to remove
the backwards compatibility code for ipchains and ipfwadm.  This will
allow significant cleanup of interfaces, since we had to have a
mid-level interface for the backwards compatibility layer to use.

Start off with a warning for 2.6.9, so any remaining users have a
chance to migrate.  Their firewall scripts might not check return
values, and they might get a nasty surprise when this goes away.

diff -urpN --exclude TAGS -X /home/rusty/devel/kernel/kernel-patches/current-dontdiff --minimal .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6.updated/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c
--- .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c	2004-09-16 00:17:16.000000000 +1000
+++ .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6.updated/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c	2004-09-21 09:06:07.000000000 +1000
@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+#warning ipchains is obsolete, and will be removed soon.
+
 /* Minor modifications to fit on compatibility framework:
    Rusty.Russell@rustcorp.com.au
 */
diff -urpN --exclude TAGS -X /home/rusty/devel/kernel/kernel-patches/current-dontdiff --minimal .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6.updated/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c
--- .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c	2004-09-16 00:17:16.000000000 +1000
+++ .5978-linux-2.6.9-rc2-bk6.updated/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c	2004-09-21 09:06:18.000000000 +1000
@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+#warning ipfwadm is obsolete, and will be removed soon.
+
 /* Minor modifications to fit on compatibility framework:
    Rusty.Russell@rustcorp.com.au
 */

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Marc Ballarin]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:09:02 +1000
"Rusty Russell (IBM)" <rusty@au1.ibm.com> wrote:

> Name: Warn that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away
> Status: Trivial
> Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
> 
> Start off with a warning for 2.6.9, so any remaining users have a
> chance to migrate.  Their firewall scripts might not check return
> values, and they might get a nasty surprise when this goes away.

Isn't a compile-time warning a bit "soft"? Especially when compilation of
a kernel easily produces > 100 warnings, as it does right now.

Regards

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Rusty Russell]

On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 22:36, Marc Ballarin wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:09:02 +1000
> "Rusty Russell (IBM)" <rusty@au1.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > Name: Warn that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away
> > Status: Trivial
> > Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
>
> Isn't a compile-time warning a bit "soft"? Especially when compilation of
> a kernel easily produces > 100 warnings, as it does right now.

Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be #error.  Then
finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to remove the whole thing
to start with, since that would create a silent failure).

Cheers,
Rusty.
-- 
http://linux.conf.au - Call for papers.  Join us!

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Marc Ballarin]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:58:22 +1000
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:

> Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be #error.  Then
> finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to remove the whole thing
> to start with, since that would create a silent failure).

I was rather thinking of some prominent printks at module init time.
People using distro kernels will never see compile time warnings.

I just added some warnings, but modprobe ipchains always fails on
2.6.9-rc2:

FATAL: Error inserting ipchains
(/lib/modules/2.6.9-rc2-rcf/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains.ko): Device
or resource busy

in log buffer:
ip_conntrack version 2.1 (8191 buckets, 65528 max) - 332 bytes per
conntrack
Unable to register netfilter socket option

Am I missing something?

Regards

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[David S. Miller]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:36:46 +0200
Marc Ballarin <Ballarin.Marc@gmx.de> wrote:

> I just added some warnings, but modprobe ipchains always fails on
> 2.6.9-rc2:
> 
> FATAL: Error inserting ipchains
> (/lib/modules/2.6.9-rc2-rcf/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains.ko): Device
> or resource busy

You can't have ipchains and iptables loaded at the same time.
You must first manually unload iptables, then you can
successfully load the ipchains module.

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Marc Ballarin]

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:36:00 -0700
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:

> You can't have ipchains and iptables loaded at the same time.
> You must first manually unload iptables, then you can
> successfully load the ipchains module.

Yes, I know, something seems strange here.

Just to be sure, I disabled iptables completely and rebooted:
(Complete config.gz is attached.)

# Networking options
#
CONFIG_PACKET=y
# CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP is not set
# CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV is not set
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_NET_KEY=m
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y
# CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set
# CONFIG_IP_MROUTE is not set
# CONFIG_ARPD is not set
CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y
CONFIG_INET_AH=m
CONFIG_INET_ESP=m
CONFIG_INET_IPCOMP=m
CONFIG_INET_TUNNEL=m

#
# IP: Virtual Server Configuration
#
# CONFIG_IP_VS is not set
# CONFIG_IPV6 is not set
CONFIG_NETFILTER=y
# CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG is not set

#
# IP: Netfilter Configuration
#
CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK=m
# CONFIG_IP_NF_CT_ACCT is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_CT_PROTO_SCTP is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_FTP is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_IRC is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_TFTP is not set
# CONFIG_IP_NF_AMANDA is not set
CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE=m
# CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES is not set
CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y
# CONFIG_IP_NF_ARPTABLES is not set
CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPCHAINS=m
CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPFWADM=m
CONFIG_XFRM=y
# CONFIG_XFRM_USER is not set

This gives me the same error upon modprobe ipchains.

If I disable CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK, I get unresolved symbols:
ipchains: Unknown symbol ip_ct_log_invalid

(Is that combination supposed to work?)

lsmod (ALSA snipped):

vfat                   10432  0
stir4200               10052  0
irda                  110972  1 stir4200
crc_ccitt               1664  1 irda
fat                    36320  1 vfat
parport_pc             29440  1
lp                      7976  0
parport                32072  2 parport_pc,lp
floppy                 50576  0
radeon                120676  2
nvidia_agp              5404  1
agpgart                26024  2 nvidia_agp
8139too                19200  0
mii                     3712  1 8139too
crc32                   3840  2 stir4200,8139too
evdev                   6848  0

Regards

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Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Patrick McHardy]

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Marc Ballarin wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:36:00 -0700
>"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>You can't have ipchains and iptables loaded at the same time.
>>You must first manually unload iptables, then you can
>>successfully load the ipchains module.
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, I know, something seems strange here.
>  
>

Fixed by this patch. The conntrack protocols need ip_ct_log_invalid
which is defined in ip_conntrack_standalone, so ip_conntrack is
loaded automatically before ipchains. This patch moves it over to
ip_conntrack_core.

Dave, please apply on top of the other netfilter patches.

Regards
Patrick


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# This is a BitKeeper generated diff -Nru style patch.
#
# ChangeSet
#   2004/09/22 02:04:02+02:00 kaber@coreworks.de 
#   {NETFILTER]: Move ip_ct_log_invalid to ip_conntrack_core.c
#   
#   Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
# 
# net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_standalone.c
#   2004/09/22 02:03:37+02:00 kaber@coreworks.de +0 -2
#   {NETFILTER]: Move ip_ct_log_invalid to ip_conntrack_core.c
#   
#   Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
# 
# net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_core.c
#   2004/09/22 02:03:37+02:00 kaber@coreworks.de +1 -0
#   {NETFILTER]: Move ip_ct_log_invalid to ip_conntrack_core.c
#   
#   Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
# 
diff -Nru a/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_core.c b/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_core.c
--- a/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_core.c	2004-09-22 02:10:28 +02:00
+++ b/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_core.c	2004-09-22 02:10:28 +02:00
@@ -74,6 +74,7 @@
 static kmem_cache_t *ip_conntrack_cachep;
 static kmem_cache_t *ip_conntrack_expect_cachep;
 struct ip_conntrack ip_conntrack_untracked;
+unsigned int ip_ct_log_invalid;
 
 DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct ip_conntrack_stat, ip_conntrack_stat);
 
diff -Nru a/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_standalone.c b/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_standalone.c
--- a/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_standalone.c	2004-09-22 02:10:28 +02:00
+++ b/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_standalone.c	2004-09-22 02:10:28 +02:00
@@ -48,8 +48,6 @@
 extern atomic_t ip_conntrack_count;
 DECLARE_PER_CPU(struct ip_conntrack_stat, ip_conntrack_stat);
 
-unsigned int ip_ct_log_invalid = 0;
-
 static int kill_proto(const struct ip_conntrack *i, void *data)
 {
 	return (i->tuplehash[IP_CT_DIR_ORIGINAL].tuple.dst.protonum == 

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Marc Ballarin]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:16:08 +0200
Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net> wrote:

> Fixed by this patch.

Yes, works fine. Does this mean that ipchains was broken for a while, but
no one complained?

Anyway, here is another trivial patch against -bk7 that adds runtime
warnings. IMO most users are going to miss compile time warnings, or
won't even compile kernels themselves.

Regards

diff -Nurp tmp/linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c
linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c
--- tmp/linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c	2004-09-22 14:45:26.398827000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains_core.c	2004-09-22 14:51:20.017069184 +0200
@@ -1800,6 +1800,9 @@ int ipfw_init_or_cleanup(int init)
 
 	if (!init) goto cleanup;
 
+	printk(KERN_WARNING
+		"Warning: ipchains is obsolete, and will be removed soon!\n");
+			
 #ifdef DEBUG_IP_FIREWALL_LOCKING
 	fwc_wlocks = fwc_rlocks = 0;
 #endif
diff -Nurp tmp/linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c
linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c
--- tmp/linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c	2004-09-22 14:45:53.545700000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6.9/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipfwadm_core.c	2004-09-22 14:51:37.780368752 +0200
@@ -1420,6 +1420,9 @@ int ipfw_init_or_cleanup(int init)
 	if (!init)
 		goto cleanup;
 
+	printk(KERN_WARNING
+		"Warning: ipfwadm is obsolete, and will be removed soon!\n");
+			
 	ret = register_firewall(PF_INET, &ipfw_ops);
 	if (ret < 0)
 		goto cleanup_nothing;

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Jesper Juhl]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Marc Ballarin wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:37:07 +0200
> From: Marc Ballarin <Ballarin.Marc@gmx.de>
> To: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
> Cc: davem@davemloft.net, rusty@rustcorp.com.au, torvalds@osdl.org,
>     netfilter-devel@lists.netfilter.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:16:08 +0200
> Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net> wrote:
> 
> > Fixed by this patch.
> 
> Yes, works fine. Does this mean that ipchains was broken for a while, but
> no one complained?
> 
> Anyway, here is another trivial patch against -bk7 that adds runtime
> warnings. IMO most users are going to miss compile time warnings, or
> won't even compile kernels themselves.
> 

I like having runtime info as well as a compile time warning, but maybe 
the message should mention that iptables is staying and people should 
migrate??

> +	printk(KERN_WARNING
> +		"Warning: ipchains is obsolete, and will be removed soon!\n");
> +			

Perhaps something like this instead:

"Warning: ipchains is obsolete, and will be removed soon. Please migrate to iptables."


--
Jesper Juhl

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Richard B. Johnson]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Jesper Juhl wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Marc Ballarin wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:37:07 +0200
> > From: Marc Ballarin <Ballarin.Marc@gmx.de>
> > To: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
> > Cc: davem@davemloft.net, rusty@rustcorp.com.au, torvalds@osdl.org,
> >     netfilter-devel@lists.netfilter.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:16:08 +0200
> > Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Fixed by this patch.
> >
> > Yes, works fine. Does this mean that ipchains was broken for a while, but
> > no one complained?
> >
> > Anyway, here is another trivial patch against -bk7 that adds runtime
> > warnings. IMO most users are going to miss compile time warnings, or
> > won't even compile kernels themselves.
> >
>
> I like having runtime info as well as a compile time warning, but maybe
> the message should mention that iptables is staying and people should
> migrate??
>
> > +	printk(KERN_WARNING
> > +		"Warning: ipchains is obsolete, and will be removed soon!\n");
> > +
>
> Perhaps something like this instead:
>
> "Warning: ipchains is obsolete, and will be removed soon. Please migrate to iptables."
>
>
> --
> Jesper Juhl

FYI. I just migrated to iptables. The code downloaded from the Debian
site did not compile cleanly, but enough worked to make most of the
shared libraries and the iptables executable.

The total time to do everything was slightly under 2 hours.

The errors from the distribution are:


cc -O2 -Wall -Wunused -I/usr/src/linux-2.4.26/include -Iinclude/ -DNETFILTER_VERSION=\"1.2.6a\"  -fPIC -o extensions/libipt_ECN_sh.o -c extensions/libipt_ECN.c
extensions/libipt_ECN.c: In function `parse':
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:51: `IPT_ECN_OP_REMOVE' undeclared (first use in this function)
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:51: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:51: for each function it appears in.)
extensions/libipt_ECN.c: In function `print':
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:82: `IPT_ECN_OP_REMOVE' undeclared (first use in this function)
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:83: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement
extensions/libipt_ECN.c: In function `save':
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:99: `IPT_ECN_OP_REMOVE' undeclared (first use in this function)
extensions/libipt_ECN.c:100: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement

make: [extensions/libipt_ECN_sh.o] Error 1 (ignored)
ld -shared -o extensions/libipt_ECN.so extensions/libipt_ECN_sh.o
ld: cannot open extensions/libipt_ECN_sh.o: No such file or directory
make: [extensions/libipt_ECN.so] Error 1 (ignored)


ip6tables.o: In function `addr_to_host':
ip6tables.o(.text+0x4d8): undefined reference to `getnameinfo'
ip6tables.o: In function `parse_hostnetworkmask':
ip6tables.o(.text+0x731): undefined reference to `in6addr_any'
ip6tables.o: In function `print_firewall':
ip6tables.o(.text+0x19e7): undefined reference to `in6addr_any'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: [ip6tables] Error 1 (ignored)


The build command was:

#
#!/bin/sh
#
#make pending-patches KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-`uname -r`
make -i  KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-`uname -r`


The pending patches resulted in many rejects but the kernel
was virgin 2.4.26.


Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Richard B. Johnson]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Rusty Russell wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 22:36, Marc Ballarin wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:09:02 +1000
> > "Rusty Russell (IBM)" <rusty@au1.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Name: Warn that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away
> > > Status: Trivial
> > > Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
> >
> > Isn't a compile-time warning a bit "soft"? Especially when compilation of
> > a kernel easily produces > 100 warnings, as it does right now.
>
> Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be #error.  Then
> finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to remove the whole thing
> to start with, since that would create a silent failure).
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty.
> --

What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Martin Josefsson]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Richard B. Johnson wrote:

> > Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be #error.  Then
> > finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to remove the whole thing
> > to start with, since that would create a silent failure).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rusty.
> > --
>
> What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!

Ever heard of iptables?

/Martin

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Richard B. Johnson]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Martin Josefsson wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > > Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be #error.  Then
> > > finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to remove the whole thing
> > > to start with, since that would create a silent failure).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Rusty.
> > > --
> >
> > What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!
>
> Ever heard of iptables?
>
> /Martin

I guess I'll have to convert 1340 lines of ipchains commands to
iptables -yech!

I had convert something to ipchains a couple of years ago.
That's when I only had to kill-off only about 100 spam-hosts.

Now I gotta convert again. Soon they'll be replacing `ls`
with `echo *` and nothing will work.


Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 08:05, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Martin Josefsson wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>> > > Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be
>> > > #error.  Then finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to
>> > > remove the whole thing to start with, since that would create
>> > > a silent failure).
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Rusty.
>> > > --
>> >
>> > What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!
>>
>> Ever heard of iptables?
>>
>> /Martin
>
>I guess I'll have to convert 1340 lines of ipchains commands to
>iptables -yech!

Ouch!  If it takes 1340 lines of ipchains commands, a direct 
translation to iptables syntax is both counter-productive and 
extremely wastefull of system resources, cpu in particular.  I 
admittedly have a dsl router in front of my machine, so it does 99% 
of that job, but if I wanted to put up with the idiosyncracies of the 
Roaring Penguin PPPoE, I could skip the router and be just as secure 
with the less than 30 active lines of my present iptables script.  
With the router, I'm invisible to the outside world.  Of course that 
does restrict me some as I've not figured out how to drill a hole 
thru all that to allow a torrent server to function.  The peace of 
mind is worth that loss IMO.  Its been over a year now since 
portsentry-1.1 saw a trigger and logged it.

Humm, thats a lie, from the firewalls /var/log/messages.1 file:

[root@gene root]# grep attackalert /var/log/messages*
/var/log/messages.1:Sep 16 18:09:16 gene portsentry[1159]: 
attackalert: UDP scan from host: home1.bellatlantic.net/199.45.32.43 
to UDP port: 32771
/var/log/messages.1:Sep 16 18:09:16 gene portsentry[1159]: 
attackalert: Host 199.45.32.43 has been blocked via wrappers with 
string: "ALL: 199.45.32.43"
/var/log/messages.1:Sep 16 18:09:17 gene portsentry[1159]: 
attackalert: Host 199.45.32.43 has been blocked via dropped route 
using command: "/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s 199.45.32.43 -j DROP"
/var/log/messages.1:Sep 16 18:09:17 gene portsentry[1159]: 
attackalert: UDP scan from host: home1.bellatlantic.net/199.45.32.43 
to UDP port: 32771
/var/log/messages.1:Sep 16 18:09:17 gene portsentry[1159]: 
attackalert: Host: home1.bellatlantic.net/199.45.32.43 is already 
blocked Ignoring

Time to send another nastygram to verizon since thats one of their 
nameservers, and clear out that address from the hosts.deny file.

FWIW, the last time that happened, in April 2003, the hack attempt  
trashed a siemans router and I had to replace it with that linksys.  
Must be time to change the user and password in it again too...

FWIW, verizon has apparently a problem keeping their nameservers from 
being hacked.

>I had convert something to ipchains a couple of years ago.
>That's when I only had to kill-off only about 100 spam-hosts.
>
>Now I gotta convert again. Soon they'll be replacing `ls`
>with `echo *` and nothing will work.

Surely you jest?

>Cheers,
>Dick Johnson
>Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56
> BogoMips). Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.

-- 
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Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Fao, Sean]

Richard B. Johnson wrote:

>I guess I'll have to convert 1340 lines of ipchains commands to
>iptables -yech!
>
>I had convert something to ipchains a couple of years ago.
>That's when I only had to kill-off only about 100 spam-hosts.
>
>Now I gotta convert again. Soon they'll be replacing `ls`
>with `echo *` and nothing will work.
>

iptables is a much better firewall than ipchains and, in my opinion, 
anybody using ipchains should upgrade to iptables.  I, for one, am quite 
pleased to see that ipchains will be removed.

-- 
Sean

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[William Stearns]

Good day, all,

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Richard B. Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Martin Josefsson wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!
> >
> > Ever heard of iptables?
> 
> I guess I'll have to convert 1340 lines of ipchains commands to
> iptables -yech!

	I have a script that does a first pass of converting an ipchains 
firewall script to an iptables firewall script at 

http://www.stearns.org/i2i/ipchains2iptables
http://www.stearns.org/i2i/ipchains2iptables.README

	Because of architectural differences between the two firewall 
technologies it can't produce a perfect translation, but it does handle 
most of the grunt work.
	Cheers,
	- Bill

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Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Rusty Russell wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 22:36, Marc Ballarin wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:09:02 +1000
>>>"Rusty Russell (IBM)" <rusty@au1.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Name: Warn that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away
>>>>Status: Trivial
>>>>Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
>>>
> What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!
> 
> Cheers,
> Dick Johnson

ipchains and ipfwadm are very old firewall implementations.
The current linux firewall code is called "iptables" and that has been 
present for a long time time, and that is staying.

So, the linux kernel still has firewall features, even with ipchains and 
ipfwadm removed.

James

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Marc Ballarin]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
"Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com> wrote:

> 
> What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!

In the upcoming kernel 2.4, which will be released January 2001, iptables
will replace ipchains.

Regards

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Bill Davidsen]

Rusty Russell (IBM) wrote:
> Name: Warn that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away
> Status: Trivial
> Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
> 
> At the recent netfilter workshop in Erlangen, we was decided to remove
> the backwards compatibility code for ipchains and ipfwadm.  This will
> allow significant cleanup of interfaces, since we had to have a
> mid-level interface for the backwards compatibility layer to use.
> 
> Start off with a warning for 2.6.9, so any remaining users have a
> chance to migrate.  Their firewall scripts might not check return
> values, and they might get a nasty surprise when this goes away.

I thought I understood the "new development model" but I guess I don't. 
Are working features now going to be removed from the "stable" chain 
instead of during a development cycle?

Not a complaint, I thought the new method was regarding new features...

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Andi Kleen]

Martin Josefsson <gandalf@wlug.westbo.se> writes:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>
>> > Sure, but you have to start somewhere.  Next step will be #error.  Then
>> > finally remove the whole thing (I don't want to remove the whole thing
>> > to start with, since that would create a silent failure).
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Rusty.
>> > --
>>
>> What replaces the firewall stuff? It can't just "go away"!
>
> Ever heard of iptables?

Except that it doesn't have usable 32bit emulation on x86-64.
32bit userland on x86-64 kernel cannot use iptables, they have
to use ipchains.

I would ask for to not drop ipchains until this is fixed.

-Andi

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[David Woodhouse]

On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 14:15 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Ever heard of iptables?
> 
> Except that it doesn't have usable 32bit emulation on x86-64.
> 32bit userland on x86-64 kernel cannot use iptables, they have
> to use ipchains.
> 
> I would ask for to not drop ipchains until this is fixed.

Agreed. The iptables compatibility with 32-bit userspace is completely
broken.

-- 
dwmw2

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Albert Cahalan]

Andi Kleen writes:
> Martin Josefsson <gandalf@wlug.westbo.se> writes:

>> Ever heard of iptables?
>
> Except that it doesn't have usable 32bit emulation
> on x86-64. 32bit userland on x86-64 kernel cannot
> use iptables, they have to use ipchains.
>
> I would ask for to not drop ipchains until this is fixed.

Who is doing a 32-bit userland on x86-64, and WTF for?
Why do they not also run a 32-bit kernel?

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Chris Friesen]

Albert Cahalan wrote:

> Who is doing a 32-bit userland on x86-64, and WTF for?
> Why do they not also run a 32-bit kernel?

Backwards compatibility?  Desire to run binary-only 32-bit software as well as 
64-bit software on the same kernel?

Chris

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Albert Cahalan]

On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 15:33, Chris Friesen wrote:
> Albert Cahalan wrote:
> 
> > Who is doing a 32-bit userland on x86-64, and WTF for?
> > Why do they not also run a 32-bit kernel?
> 
> Backwards compatibility?  Desire to run binary-only 32-bit software as well as 
> 64-bit software on the same kernel?

Nope. For that, you run 99% 64-bit, including iptables.
That's what is typically done. So you'd have a 32-bit
OpenOffice maybe, and everything else is 64-bit.

I'm still not seeing a need to run an x86-64 kernel
with an i386 iptables.

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Andy Lutomirski]

Albert Cahalan wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 15:33, Chris Friesen wrote:
> 
>>Albert Cahalan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Who is doing a 32-bit userland on x86-64, and WTF for?
>>>Why do they not also run a 32-bit kernel?
>>
>>Backwards compatibility?  Desire to run binary-only 32-bit software as well as 
>>64-bit software on the same kernel?
> 
> 
> Nope. For that, you run 99% 64-bit, including iptables.
> That's what is typically done. So you'd have a 32-bit
> OpenOffice maybe, and everything else is 64-bit.
> 
> I'm still not seeing a need to run an x86-64 kernel
> with an i386 iptables.
> 
> 

Easy migration: take your fully-set-up server image, throw in an Opteron 
with 16GB RAM, and boot a 64-bit kernel.  As long as you don't need more 
than 4GB/program, you're set.  Except your firewall is broken.

--Andy

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[David S. Miller]

On 23 Sep 2004 15:36:34 -0400
Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net> wrote:

> I'm still not seeing a need to run an x86-64 kernel
> with an i386 iptables.

Me neither.  And it's not like the netfilter tools have
any interesting library dependencies either, ldd on
iptables for example is merely:

        libdl.so.2 => /lib/ultra3/libdl.so.2 (0x7002c000)
        libnsl.so.1 => /lib/ultra3/libnsl.so.1 (0x70040000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/ultra3/libc.so.6 (0x70068000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x70000000)

And that's just libc.

If Andi would code on kernel bug fixes for these problems
as much as he complained about them, he wouldn't have anything
to complain about :-)

I would like to see a netfilter compat layer translater engine
of some sort, none the less.  With the right design it won't
be hard to implement things properly.

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[Matthew Garrett]

Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net> wrote:

> Who is doing a 32-bit userland on x86-64, and WTF for?
> Why do they not also run a 32-bit kernel?

Debian will be shipping a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel. The
reasons are long, awkward, and mostly uninteresting. The reason for
shipping a 64-bit kernel is that it makes it easier for users who
require large quantities of VM to obtain it.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.linux-rutgers.kernel@srcf.ucam.org

Re: [PATCH] Warn people that ipchains and ipfwadm are going away.

[David S. Miller]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:08:13 +0100
Matthew Garrett <mgarrett@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net> wrote:
> 
> > Who is doing a 32-bit userland on x86-64, and WTF for?
> > Why do they not also run a 32-bit kernel?
> 
> Debian will be shipping a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel. The
> reasons are long, awkward, and mostly uninteresting. The reason for
> shipping a 64-bit kernel is that it makes it easier for users who
> require large quantities of VM to obtain it.

But just like the sparc64 port, there is a 64-bit userland
compilation environment available, and debian has the means
to ship 64-bit specific packages on top of a mostly 32-bit
userland.  So it is very easy for them to ship a 64-bit
netfilter utility package if they wanted to.