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From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
To: davids@webmaster.com
Cc: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:59:55 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4170728B.7060709@nortelnetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKAEKCPAAA.davids@webmaster.com>

David Schwartz wrote:

> 	The CAVEAT is that 'select', like every other status information function
> provided by the kernel, does not guarantee anything about the future. Just
> like 'stat' does not guarantee that the file size will still be the same
> later when you call 'read'.

This is not a very good counterexample.  If I'm the only one accessing a file, 
then the file size should not just change all by itself.

As you say, select is level triggered.  However, the very definition of select 
returning a file descriptor as readable is that a subsequent read will not 
block.  This seems very straightforward.  Maybe it's not the best from a 
performance point of view, but it's very straightforward.

So if we change the semantics slightly to say that select returning readable 
really means a subsequent *blocking* read will not block, then apps that use 
blocking sockets will get proper semantics, and apps using nonblocking reads 
will get full performance.

As it stands, it's fairly straightforward to do a DOS and hang various apps with 
a single corrupt packet each.  This is suboptimal.

Chris

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-16  1:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-06 14:52 UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug? Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 15:01 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:13   ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:15   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:21     ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:29       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:42         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:57           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:44         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-07  1:16         ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07  7:10           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 11:53             ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:32               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 12:53                 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:12                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-07 14:07                   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:19                     ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:36                     ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 15:01                       ` Jean-Sebastien Trottier
2004-10-07 16:20                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 18:20                           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-07 18:33                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:41                               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 21:49                                 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:00                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:24                                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:26                                       ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:39                                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:42                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:27                                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-08  0:04                                               ` Ben Greear
2004-10-08  2:51                                             ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08  3:39                                               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08  3:48                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08  3:59                                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:19                                     ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 22:24                                       ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:33                                         ` Alan Curry
2004-10-07 22:42                                         ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 22:47                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:00                                             ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 23:07                                               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08  6:10                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-08 15:20                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08  0:37                                             ` Lee Revell
2004-10-07 22:46                                         ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-07 22:48                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:17                                   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:45                     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 16:32                       ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 14:50                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 21:58                           ` mmap specification - was: ... select specification Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 22:17                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-10-07 22:34                               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 22:32                             ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 22:46                               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 23:30                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-08  9:19                                   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-09 21:10                                     ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:48                     ` UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug? Alan Cox
2004-10-07 14:57                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-07 15:18                       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 16:39                         ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 16:09                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 17:18                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:31       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:41         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 16:07           ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 16:57           ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 15:59       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 16:35       ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 15:30     ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:09 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:18 ` bert hubert
2004-10-06 16:41 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 18:04   ` Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 19:30     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 19:23       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 22:08         ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 20:25           ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 22:15             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 22:32               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 23:25               ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2004-10-06 23:11             ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-06 19:43       ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 19:54         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 19:59           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 20:10             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 21:45               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 23:35                 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 20:06           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 20:18             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 20:26               ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 20:38               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 20:58                 ` Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 22:29                 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 16:08                 ` Adrian Phillips
2004-10-06 20:06         ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-06 23:35           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07  0:19             ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-07  0:29               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 10:56                 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-08  6:41                 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-08 15:27                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-15 22:42                   ` Robert White
2004-10-15 23:33                     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16  0:59                       ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2004-10-16  2:35                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16  4:23                         ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16  4:35                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16  4:58                             ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16  6:25                               ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 21:44                                 ` Roland Kuhn
2004-10-17  0:06                                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17  0:30                                     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 14:47                                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17  0:28                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 13:35                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 14:17                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 15:05                                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17 15:40                                         ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 16:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-17 17:35                                           ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-17 18:04                                             ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:06                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 18:21                                                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:04                                                 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 20:08                                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 17:35                                           ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 17:33                                             ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 19:58                                               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 19:33                                                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:11                                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 20:25                                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:42                                                   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 20:02                                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:53                                             ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 19:26                                               ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-17 20:32                                               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 19:21                                           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-17 17:22                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 17:54                                         ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:05                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 18:06                                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-20 21:31                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-20 21:58                                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-20 22:00                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-20 22:12                                           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-20 23:16                                             ` David Schwartz
2004-10-21  1:03                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  1:38                                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-21  3:01                                           ` Michael Clark
2004-10-21  3:52                                             ` Michael Clark
2004-10-21  4:10                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21  5:06                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  5:11                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21  5:50                                                   ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  5:58                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21 15:18                                                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  6:14                                                     ` Michael Clark
2004-10-17 14:52                                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 18:25                               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-17  0:28                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 12:22                                   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-16 10:24                     ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-16 13:21                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-18 22:25                       ` Robert White
2004-10-06 20:41         ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 22:27           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 23:32             ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 23:36             ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 19:31 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-07 22:36   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-08  0:19     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-09 19:21       ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-09 18:28         ` David Schwartz
2004-10-09 18:49           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-09 21:00             ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-09 22:59               ` Mark Mielke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-06 15:30 Dan Kegel
2004-10-07  4:50 Dan Kegel
2004-10-07  8:04 ` bert hubert
2004-10-07  8:28   ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 10:38     ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 10:07       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 11:29         ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 18:16 linux
2004-10-09 12:07 ` Colin Phipps
     [not found] <fa.haprsoi.8k8kbk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.isqjio8.ok2coo@ifi.uio.no>
2004-10-09 13:24   ` Bodo Eggert
2004-10-19  1:21 John Pearson
2004-10-19 13:50 ` Colin Phipps

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