From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug?
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:12:14 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4176E2BE.5070806@nortelnetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4176E001.1080104@zytor.com>
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Doing work twice can hardly be considered The Right Thing.
If the alternative is to have apps that can be DOS'd with a single corrupt
packet, I think that yes, it is.
Going forward, all apps should use nonblocking sockets, correct? (With the
current design, because it's the only way to get correctness, with my proposal
because it's the only way to get full speed.)
Given that, we then have to worry about the installed base of binaries out there
that will use blocking sockets. And it's going to take some time before they
all convert. For all those binaries, (which include basic things like syslog,
inetd, portmap, and statd) the existing kernel behaviour does not match what the
app is expecting. With a minor change, we can give the behaviour that the app
expects, though at a performance penalty. Once the app switches over to
nonblocking sockets (which it has to do *anyway* under the current model) then
it gets full performance.
To summarize:
1) apps have to switch to nonblocking sockets (for correctness)
2) my proposal makes them work as expected in the meantime, with a performance cost
Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-20 22:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-06 14:52 UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug? Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 15:01 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:13 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:15 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:21 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:29 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:42 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:57 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:44 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-07 1:16 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 7:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 11:53 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:32 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 12:53 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:12 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-07 14:07 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:19 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:36 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 15:01 ` Jean-Sebastien Trottier
2004-10-07 16:20 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 18:20 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-07 18:33 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:41 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 21:49 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:00 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:24 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:26 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:39 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:42 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:27 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-08 0:04 ` Ben Greear
2004-10-08 2:51 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08 3:39 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08 3:48 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08 3:59 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:19 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 22:24 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:33 ` Alan Curry
2004-10-07 22:42 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 22:47 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:00 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 23:07 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08 6:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-08 15:20 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08 0:37 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-07 22:46 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-07 22:48 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:17 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 16:32 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 14:50 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 21:58 ` mmap specification - was: ... select specification Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 22:17 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-10-07 22:34 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 22:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 22:46 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 23:30 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-08 9:19 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-09 21:10 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:48 ` UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug? Alan Cox
2004-10-07 14:57 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-07 15:18 ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 16:39 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 16:09 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 17:18 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:31 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:41 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 16:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 16:57 ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 15:59 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 16:35 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 15:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:09 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:18 ` bert hubert
2004-10-06 16:41 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 18:04 ` Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 19:30 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 19:23 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 22:08 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 20:25 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 22:15 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 22:32 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 23:25 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2004-10-06 23:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-06 19:43 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 19:54 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 19:59 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 20:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 21:45 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 23:35 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 20:06 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 20:18 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 20:26 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 20:38 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 20:58 ` Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 22:29 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 16:08 ` Adrian Phillips
2004-10-06 20:06 ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-06 23:35 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 0:19 ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-07 0:29 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 10:56 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-08 6:41 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-08 15:27 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-15 22:42 ` Robert White
2004-10-15 23:33 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16 0:59 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-16 2:35 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 4:23 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16 4:35 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 4:58 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16 6:25 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 21:44 ` Roland Kuhn
2004-10-17 0:06 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17 0:30 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 14:47 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17 0:28 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 13:35 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 14:17 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 15:05 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17 15:40 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 16:13 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-17 17:35 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-17 18:04 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:06 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 18:21 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:04 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 20:08 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 17:35 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 17:33 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 19:58 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 19:33 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:11 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 20:25 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:42 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 20:02 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:53 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 19:26 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-17 20:32 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 19:21 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-17 17:22 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 17:54 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:05 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 18:06 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-20 21:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-20 21:58 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-20 22:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-20 22:12 ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2004-10-20 23:16 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-21 1:03 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21 1:38 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-21 3:01 ` Michael Clark
2004-10-21 3:52 ` Michael Clark
2004-10-21 4:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21 5:06 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21 5:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21 5:50 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21 5:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21 15:18 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21 6:14 ` Michael Clark
2004-10-17 14:52 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 18:25 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-17 0:28 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 12:22 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-16 10:24 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-16 13:21 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-18 22:25 ` Robert White
2004-10-06 20:41 ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 22:27 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 23:32 ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 23:36 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 19:31 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-07 22:36 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-08 0:19 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-09 19:21 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-09 18:28 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-09 18:49 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-09 21:00 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-09 22:59 ` Mark Mielke
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-06 15:30 Dan Kegel
2004-10-07 4:50 Dan Kegel
2004-10-07 8:04 ` bert hubert
2004-10-07 8:28 ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 10:38 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 10:07 ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 11:29 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 18:16 linux
2004-10-09 12:07 ` Colin Phipps
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[not found] ` <fa.isqjio8.ok2coo@ifi.uio.no>
2004-10-09 13:24 ` Bodo Eggert
2004-10-19 1:21 John Pearson
2004-10-19 13:50 ` Colin Phipps
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