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From: "Kendall Bennett" <KendallB@scitechsoft.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:30:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4177ABC9.22263.20E9CAFD@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1098313825.12374.74.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> I've actually always wondered what a hybrid video device would
> look like for 3D. Doing the alpha blend and very basic operations
> only in the hardware that are expensive in software - alpha and
> perhaps some of the texture scaling, but walking textures in
> software, doing shaders in software and so on. 

Well that is what most of the early 3D cards started out as. A lot of the 
early SGI boxes that has '3D' were not full 3D rendering engines but span 
based rendering engines. Not only was setup done in software, but so was 
the walking of the triangle sides and the only thing passed to the 
hardware was commands to render spans (flat, smooth or textured). You 
could build any kind of complex renderer on top of this and in those days 
it was SGI GL (pre OpenGL) that was the rendering API. The systems were 
also reasonably fast for the day too.

I think the original 3DLabs GLINT SX chipset also did span rendering and 
support textured spans. The biggest problem is that the overhead required 
by the CPU to process anything close to the volume of triangles per 
second that high end cards can handle today is overwhelming. Even a 4Ghz 
P4 probably couldn't keep up trying to match the transform, lighting and 
span traversal to match even a basic Radeon 9000 card IMHO. And then 
you've got no CPU cycles left for anything else such as sound and game 
physics ;-)

Regards,

---
Kendall Bennett
Chief Executive Officer
SciTech Software, Inc.
Phone: (530) 894 8400
http://www.scitechsoft.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-22  4:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-20 22:02 HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 22:17 ` Andre Eisenbach
2004-10-21  1:31   ` Jon Valvatne
2004-10-21 16:09     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 19:47     ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 22:19 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-24  8:24   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-24 14:26     ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-20 22:26 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? David Lang
2004-10-21 14:46   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:25     ` David Lang
2004-10-21 18:15       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 18:32         ` Antonio Vargas
2004-10-22  9:53       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-24  9:03       ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25  1:33         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  1:48           ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  2:29           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-22 10:16     ` Christian Leber
2004-10-22 17:31       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:05     ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-22 17:12     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26  2:36     ` Dave Airlie
2004-10-26  3:55       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-20 22:28 ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-21 14:51   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 22:03     ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-20 22:29 ` Kasper Sandberg
2004-10-21 14:53   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:06     ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 18:00       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 23:10 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 15:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:25     ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 18:03       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:32     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett [this message]
2004-10-22 17:15     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:08 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  1:11   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  2:00     ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 16:08       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:34         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 23:38           ` Jan Knutar
2004-10-22  4:30             ` Jan Rychter
2004-10-22 17:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:00               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 18:47               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:22                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 19:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:56                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:43                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 20:27                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-23 17:20                           ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-23 21:17                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-24  0:06                               ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-22 20:51                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:32                 ` Roland Dreier
2004-10-24 10:40               ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:39                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:57         ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-22  9:48         ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 20:23       ` "Fernando O. Korndörfer"
2004-10-22  9:02       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 15:13   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:36     ` Shaun Kruger
2004-10-21 18:05       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22  8:49     ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:17         ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-22 22:07     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 10:45       ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:47         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-28  9:07           ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-29 16:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:48 ` HARDWARE:Graphics Cards or TOE? Nuno Silva
2004-10-26 20:50   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  2:29 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Kurt Wall
2004-10-21 16:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:22     ` Pascal Patry
2004-10-21 12:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-21 13:14   ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 17:34     ` Jurriaan
2004-10-21 16:26   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:42     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:09       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:53 ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-21 23:02 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-24  1:04   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22  1:08 ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23  5:40   ` Kevin Puetz
2004-10-23 17:02     ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23 22:19       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-24 11:10         ` Rene Herman
2004-10-22 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-22 19:47   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-22 20:15     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-25 15:29   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 15:53     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 16:32       ` Giuliano Pochini
2004-10-28  9:37         ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-28 11:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 12:21           ` David Greaves
2004-10-29 16:04           ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 22:27 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 14:36 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-10-24  8:18 ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 11:54 ` Stuart Longland
2004-10-25 16:38 ` Lars Roland
2004-10-25 17:08   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 21:02     ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:38       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 22:52   ` Tonnerre
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-20 23:48 Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  0:30 ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-21  0:47   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:09   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-21  1:25 ` Zan Lynx
2004-10-21 15:52   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  4:48 Albert Cahalan
2004-10-21 16:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:54 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:32   ` Baruch Even
2004-10-25 23:30     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-21 17:08 Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22  2:18 ` Tim Connors
2004-10-21 17:44 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:36   ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-21 22:40     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 23:25       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 23:40       ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22 16:48         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 16:50           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 17:41             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 23:10             ` Tonnerre
2004-10-26  0:32     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-22 15:59   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2004-10-22  3:47 Roy Butler
2004-10-22 17:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 18:17   ` Mail Lists
2004-10-25 12:17     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-10-22 10:31 John Ripley
2004-10-22 12:58 ` Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-10-22 17:33 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:15 Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23  4:45 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23  7:06   ` Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23 19:06 Bodo Eggert
2004-10-25  1:44 ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  8:23   ` Vojtech Pavlik
     [not found] <6.1.2.0.1.20041026082223.0231edd8@mail.javagear.com>
2004-10-26 15:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 16:35   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-26 16:57     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26 21:14   ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:41     ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-17 14:35 Sid Boyce
2004-11-17 14:46 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-23 13:47 ` Karel Kulhavy
2004-11-23 22:48 ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-24  1:22   ` Sid Boyce

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