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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:08:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41785D8D.5070808@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4176E08B.2050706@techsource.com>

Timothy Miller wrote:

Reading this rather late and I see you've already gotten many replies. I 
would like to emphasize the "onboard" reply you got though.

> (1) Would the sales volumes of this product be enough to make it worth 
> producing (ie. profitable)?

If you'd be producing "a videocard", unlikely. To a gamer, openness will 
not offset non-stellar performance and stellar performance would very 
likely propel the cost of this card very quickly far past the cost of a 
comparable nVidia or ATI card.

Your users then, would likely need to be non-gamers such as myself. For 
reference, my current videocard is an ATI Rage128 with 16MB and a TV-OUT 
with which I'm still very pleased. For me, you would be competing with 
onboard solutions, and especially Intel's onboard solutions since as far 
as I'm aware those _are_ actually openly documented, at least upto the 
level that I consider it important. That is, I can go read a datasheet, 
go "cool stuff this" and then compile a completely opensource driver 
into any kernel I please.

My first computer was AMD based, my current computer is almost entirely 
AMD (CPU and chipset, that is) and my next computer seems likely to be 
an AMD64 machine. However, I should really say "EM64T machine", since it 
is probably going to be an Intel one, completely due to the chipsets.

I'd actually prefer AMD, but the AMD market isn't offfering a solution 
comparable to Intel's integrated video. That means AMD and VIA and the 
like are loosing (some, mine at least :-) money since they don't have a 
graphics solution comparable to Intel, in terms of openness and 
basicness. I believe really only nForce and (to a degree; I hardly see 
it) ATI IGP are available in the AMD motherboard market. If you could 
produce something as good or better as Intel's, you might want to go 
talk to VIA, or AMD directly, and have them license it from you and 
massproduce it into their chipsets.

> (2) How much would you be willing to pay for it?

Nothing. I want it on my motherboard.

> (3) How do you feel about the choice of neglecting 3D performance as a 
> priority?  How important is 3D performance?  In what cases is it not?

It's okay, and especially when board makers have the option to also 
offer a "slotted" videocard in addition (or instead of) your onboard chip.

> (4) How much extra would you be willing to pay for excellent 3D 
> performance?

Nothing.

> (5) What's most important to you, performance, price, or stability?

Stability, no fan, (very) good 2d picture quality/stability, price, 
gadgets (tv-out), performance.

Rene.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-22  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-20 22:02 HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 22:17 ` Andre Eisenbach
2004-10-21  1:31   ` Jon Valvatne
2004-10-21 16:09     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 19:47     ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 22:19 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-24  8:24   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-24 14:26     ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-20 22:26 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? David Lang
2004-10-21 14:46   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:25     ` David Lang
2004-10-21 18:15       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 18:32         ` Antonio Vargas
2004-10-22  9:53       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-24  9:03       ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25  1:33         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  1:48           ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  2:29           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-22 10:16     ` Christian Leber
2004-10-22 17:31       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:05     ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-22 17:12     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26  2:36     ` Dave Airlie
2004-10-26  3:55       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-20 22:28 ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-21 14:51   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 22:03     ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-20 22:29 ` Kasper Sandberg
2004-10-21 14:53   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:06     ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 18:00       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 23:10 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 15:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:25     ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 18:03       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:32     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:15     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:08 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  1:11   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  2:00     ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 16:08       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:34         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 23:38           ` Jan Knutar
2004-10-22  4:30             ` Jan Rychter
2004-10-22 17:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:00               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 18:47               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:22                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 19:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:56                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:43                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 20:27                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-23 17:20                           ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-23 21:17                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-24  0:06                               ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-22 20:51                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:32                 ` Roland Dreier
2004-10-24 10:40               ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:39                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:57         ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-22  9:48         ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 20:23       ` "Fernando O. Korndörfer"
2004-10-22  9:02       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 15:13   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:36     ` Shaun Kruger
2004-10-21 18:05       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22  8:49     ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:17         ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-22 22:07     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 10:45       ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:47         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-28  9:07           ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-29 16:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:48 ` HARDWARE:Graphics Cards or TOE? Nuno Silva
2004-10-26 20:50   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  2:29 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Kurt Wall
2004-10-21 16:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:22     ` Pascal Patry
2004-10-21 12:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-21 13:14   ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 17:34     ` Jurriaan
2004-10-21 16:26   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:42     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:09       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:53 ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-21 23:02 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-24  1:04   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22  1:08 ` Rene Herman [this message]
2004-10-23  5:40   ` Kevin Puetz
2004-10-23 17:02     ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23 22:19       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-24 11:10         ` Rene Herman
2004-10-22 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-22 19:47   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-22 20:15     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-25 15:29   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 15:53     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 16:32       ` Giuliano Pochini
2004-10-28  9:37         ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-28 11:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 12:21           ` David Greaves
2004-10-29 16:04           ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 22:27 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 14:36 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-10-24  8:18 ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 11:54 ` Stuart Longland
2004-10-25 16:38 ` Lars Roland
2004-10-25 17:08   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 21:02     ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:38       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 22:52   ` Tonnerre
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-20 23:48 Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  0:30 ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-21  0:47   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:09   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-21  1:25 ` Zan Lynx
2004-10-21 15:52   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  4:48 Albert Cahalan
2004-10-21 16:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:54 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:32   ` Baruch Even
2004-10-25 23:30     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-21 17:08 Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22  2:18 ` Tim Connors
2004-10-21 17:44 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:36   ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-21 22:40     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 23:25       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 23:40       ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22 16:48         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 16:50           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 17:41             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 23:10             ` Tonnerre
2004-10-26  0:32     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-22 15:59   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2004-10-22  3:47 Roy Butler
2004-10-22 17:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 18:17   ` Mail Lists
2004-10-25 12:17     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-10-22 10:31 John Ripley
2004-10-22 12:58 ` Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-10-22 17:33 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:15 Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23  4:45 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23  7:06   ` Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23 19:06 Bodo Eggert
2004-10-25  1:44 ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  8:23   ` Vojtech Pavlik
     [not found] <6.1.2.0.1.20041026082223.0231edd8@mail.javagear.com>
2004-10-26 15:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 16:35   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-26 16:57     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26 21:14   ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:41     ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-17 14:35 Sid Boyce
2004-11-17 14:46 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-23 13:47 ` Karel Kulhavy
2004-11-23 22:48 ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-24  1:22   ` Sid Boyce

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