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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Chuck Ebbert <76306.1226@compuserve.com>,
	"michael@optusnet.com.au" <michael@optusnet.com.au>,
	"'linux-kernel'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Massimo Cetra <mcetra@navynet.it>, Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>,
	"Marcos D. Marado Torres" <marado@student.dei.uc.pt>,
	John Richard Moser <nigelenki@comcast.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: My thoughts on the "new development model"
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:19:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4182436B.20600@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041028150329.GK12934@holomorphy.com>

William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 at 00:13:44 -0700 William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> 
>>>I'd expect vastly less than 1%, starting from the arch count, and then
>>>making some conservative guesses about drivers. Drivers probably
>>>actually take it down to far, far less than 1%.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:04:41AM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote:
> 
>>  Sure, but pretty much each installation uses a different 1%.
>>  If there's a bug in there it's bound to hit someone; that's
>>what makes OS writing so difficult.  (And that's why "It works
>>for me" is not really a useful statement about the overall quality
>>of an operating system.)
> 
> 
> 99.99% of users use one arch, i386.
> 99.99% of users use one disk driver, IDE.
> The intersection of these users is probably well over 99.999% of all
> users.
> 
> Then probably a small list of secondary drivers varies. Statistically,
> users with anything but the crappiest x86 s**tboxen and a tiny subset
> of all drivers (arjan's 20) are hopelessly outnumbered.

Sorry, i386 is really a pool of Pentium, Athlon, and Opteron chips, with 
a witches brew of HT, 64bit extensions to 32 bit chips, and the like. 
Connected by a constantly changing set of Intel, SiS, VIA and other 
shipsets, and getting storage from IDE and SATA drives.

Not to mention using a vast array of CD and DVD drives and several major 
flavors of USB methods with minor variations of each, and driving their 
consoles with at least a half-dozen popular video chipsets with drivers 
of various shades of openness.

You don't even reach 99.99% with small-endian, there are more assorted 
RISC chips in use than that. I guess you're safe with twos complement 
arithmetic, although I cringed at Linus' recent "find a power of two" 
code which depends on it.  Diversity, thy name is Linux!

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-29 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-28 13:04 My thoughts on the "new development model" Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-28 13:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-28 15:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 15:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 17:33   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 18:39     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-29 13:19   ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2004-10-29 17:49     ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-28 23:33 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-28 23:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 19:50 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-27 21:40 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28  2:59   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-28 10:16     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27  0:00 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-27  0:24 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-27  0:36   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  0:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  2:45   ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27  3:19     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  2:47 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-26 16:32 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 17:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 15:54 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26  5:40 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 10:44 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-10-26 11:09   ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-26 12:08     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-26 19:03       ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 15:03     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 21:19     ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-10-27  3:05       ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27  4:29         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-27  5:13           ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-27  5:23             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  6:04               ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-27  6:28                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  6:50                   ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-27  6:56                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-16 16:43                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-27 13:48               ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 14:57                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-27 15:35                   ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 19:46                     ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27 21:08                       ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 21:14                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-27 17:55                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 13:38             ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27  5:25         ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-28  6:46           ` michael
2004-10-28  7:13             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28  7:28             ` Hacksaw
2004-10-29 21:30               ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-28  7:57             ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-28 16:14             ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-28 17:27               ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-28 23:19               ` michael
2004-10-29  0:02                 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27  4:26       ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-16 16:18       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-26 12:37   ` Barry K. Nathan
2004-10-26 14:40     ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-26 14:28   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 14:41   ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-26 14:24 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 15:27 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-22 20:03 My thoughts on the "new development model"(A bit late tho) Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 21:52 ` My thoughts on the "new development model" Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 22:12   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 12:55     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24  3:04       ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-22 22:45   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-22 22:50     ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 23:21       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  0:41       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22 22:57   ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-23  0:09     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  2:40       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-25 21:15       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-25 22:08         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 16:12         ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-10-26 16:53           ` Mark Nipper
2004-10-23  1:40     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-23  5:04       ` Greg KH
2004-10-26  1:07         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-23  5:52       ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-23 14:18         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 19:58       ` Kronos
2004-10-23 20:05         ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 22:58   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22 23:21     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-22 23:43     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  8:01     ` Boris Bukowski
2004-10-26 16:01   ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-26 16:44     ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-26 16:58       ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-26 18:53         ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-26 19:33           ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-27 15:31             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 15:30         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 18:37           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-27 21:39             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 16:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-27 19:27           ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-26 18:01     ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-10-26 18:38       ` John Richard Moser

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