From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Chuck Ebbert <76306.1226@compuserve.com>,
"michael@optusnet.com.au" <michael@optusnet.com.au>,
"'linux-kernel'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Massimo Cetra <mcetra@navynet.it>, Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>,
"Marcos D. Marado Torres" <marado@student.dei.uc.pt>,
John Richard Moser <nigelenki@comcast.net>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: My thoughts on the "new development model"
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:19:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4182436B.20600@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041028150329.GK12934@holomorphy.com>
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 at 00:13:44 -0700 William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>
>>>I'd expect vastly less than 1%, starting from the arch count, and then
>>>making some conservative guesses about drivers. Drivers probably
>>>actually take it down to far, far less than 1%.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:04:41AM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote:
>
>> Sure, but pretty much each installation uses a different 1%.
>> If there's a bug in there it's bound to hit someone; that's
>>what makes OS writing so difficult. (And that's why "It works
>>for me" is not really a useful statement about the overall quality
>>of an operating system.)
>
>
> 99.99% of users use one arch, i386.
> 99.99% of users use one disk driver, IDE.
> The intersection of these users is probably well over 99.999% of all
> users.
>
> Then probably a small list of secondary drivers varies. Statistically,
> users with anything but the crappiest x86 s**tboxen and a tiny subset
> of all drivers (arjan's 20) are hopelessly outnumbered.
Sorry, i386 is really a pool of Pentium, Athlon, and Opteron chips, with
a witches brew of HT, 64bit extensions to 32 bit chips, and the like.
Connected by a constantly changing set of Intel, SiS, VIA and other
shipsets, and getting storage from IDE and SATA drives.
Not to mention using a vast array of CD and DVD drives and several major
flavors of USB methods with minor variations of each, and driving their
consoles with at least a half-dozen popular video chipsets with drivers
of various shades of openness.
You don't even reach 99.99% with small-endian, there are more assorted
RISC chips in use than that. I guess you're safe with twos complement
arithmetic, although I cringed at Linus' recent "find a power of two"
code which depends on it. Diversity, thy name is Linux!
--
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
CTO TMR Associates, Inc
Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-29 13:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-28 13:04 My thoughts on the "new development model" Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-28 13:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-28 15:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 15:07 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 18:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-29 13:19 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2004-10-29 17:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-28 23:33 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-28 23:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 19:50 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-27 21:40 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 2:59 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-28 10:16 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 0:00 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-27 0:24 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-27 0:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 0:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 2:45 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27 3:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 2:47 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-26 16:32 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 17:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 15:54 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 5:40 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 10:44 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-10-26 11:09 ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-26 12:08 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-26 19:03 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 15:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 21:19 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-10-27 3:05 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27 4:29 ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-27 5:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-27 5:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 6:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-27 6:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 6:50 ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-27 6:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-16 16:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-27 13:48 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 14:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-27 15:35 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 19:46 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27 21:08 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 21:14 ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-27 17:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 13:38 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 5:25 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-28 6:46 ` michael
2004-10-28 7:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 7:28 ` Hacksaw
2004-10-29 21:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-28 7:57 ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-28 16:14 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-28 17:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-28 23:19 ` michael
2004-10-29 0:02 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 4:26 ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-16 16:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-26 12:37 ` Barry K. Nathan
2004-10-26 14:40 ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-26 14:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 14:41 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-26 14:24 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 15:27 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-22 20:03 My thoughts on the "new development model"(A bit late tho) Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 21:52 ` My thoughts on the "new development model" Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 22:12 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 12:55 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24 3:04 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-22 22:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-22 22:50 ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 23:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 0:41 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22 22:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-23 0:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 2:40 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-25 21:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-25 22:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 16:12 ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-10-26 16:53 ` Mark Nipper
2004-10-23 1:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-23 5:04 ` Greg KH
2004-10-26 1:07 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-23 5:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-23 14:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 19:58 ` Kronos
2004-10-23 20:05 ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 22:58 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22 23:21 ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-22 23:43 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 8:01 ` Boris Bukowski
2004-10-26 16:01 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-26 16:44 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-26 16:58 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-26 18:53 ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-26 19:33 ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-27 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 15:30 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 18:37 ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-27 21:39 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 16:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-27 19:27 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-26 18:01 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-10-26 18:38 ` John Richard Moser
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