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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
Cc: Giuliano Pochini <pochini@denise.shiny.it>,
	Tonnerre <tonnerre@thundrix.ch>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable?
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:04:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41826A18.6040407@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041028093752.GB13523@hh.idb.hist.no>



Helge Hafting wrote:

>>>It's been ages since I've encountered a GPU which could do packed 24.  I
>>>think when people talk about "24 bit color", they're also thinking "32
>>>bits per pixel".  Besides, there's the alpha channel.
>>
> Nothing wrong with 32-bit color.  What I meant, was to
> prioritize 24-bit _or better_ - don't waste space on
> 16-bit or even less stuff. 

Yeah.  There may be some demand for 8-bit pseudocolor, but 16-bit 
truecolor seems a bit pointless.

However, if the host interface has some intelligence in it, then we 
could have pixels in the framebuffer ALWAYS 32 bits, but we can make 
them LOOK like 8 or 16 bit pixels to the host.

> 
>>Well, in order to save memory and bandwidth, the data can be 24bpp, but
>>the software sees it 32bpp.
>>
> 
> Or one could go the other way - if we use 32 bits, then
> consider 10 bits per color.  I've always wondered about the purpose
> of a 8-bit alpha channel.  what exactly is supposed to show
> in "transparent" places?  Transparency makes sense when talking about 
> windows - you see the underlying window through a transparent spot.
> But this is the frame buffer we're talking about - what is
> supposed to be behind that?  Another frame buffer?

When compositing images, it's important to know "how much pixel" has 
been painted already.  If the screen's blank and all pixels therefore 
are completely transparent, and you draw something with antialised 
edges, you want to keep track of the fact that the edges are "not all 
there" so that if another triangle gets drawn that abuts the first one, 
they merge together perfectly.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-29 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-20 22:02 HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 22:17 ` Andre Eisenbach
2004-10-21  1:31   ` Jon Valvatne
2004-10-21 16:09     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 19:47     ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 22:19 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-24  8:24   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-24 14:26     ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-20 22:26 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? David Lang
2004-10-21 14:46   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:25     ` David Lang
2004-10-21 18:15       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 18:32         ` Antonio Vargas
2004-10-22  9:53       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-24  9:03       ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25  1:33         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  1:48           ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  2:29           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-22 10:16     ` Christian Leber
2004-10-22 17:31       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:05     ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-22 17:12     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26  2:36     ` Dave Airlie
2004-10-26  3:55       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-20 22:28 ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-21 14:51   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 22:03     ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-20 22:29 ` Kasper Sandberg
2004-10-21 14:53   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:06     ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 18:00       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 23:10 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 15:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:25     ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 18:03       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:32     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:15     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:08 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  1:11   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  2:00     ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 16:08       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:34         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 23:38           ` Jan Knutar
2004-10-22  4:30             ` Jan Rychter
2004-10-22 17:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:00               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 18:47               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:22                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 19:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:56                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:43                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 20:27                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-23 17:20                           ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-23 21:17                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-24  0:06                               ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-22 20:51                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:32                 ` Roland Dreier
2004-10-24 10:40               ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:39                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:57         ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-22  9:48         ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 20:23       ` "Fernando O. Korndörfer"
2004-10-22  9:02       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 15:13   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:36     ` Shaun Kruger
2004-10-21 18:05       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22  8:49     ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:17         ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-22 22:07     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 10:45       ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:47         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-28  9:07           ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-29 16:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:48 ` HARDWARE:Graphics Cards or TOE? Nuno Silva
2004-10-26 20:50   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  2:29 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Kurt Wall
2004-10-21 16:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:22     ` Pascal Patry
2004-10-21 12:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-21 13:14   ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 17:34     ` Jurriaan
2004-10-21 16:26   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:42     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:09       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:53 ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-21 23:02 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-24  1:04   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22  1:08 ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23  5:40   ` Kevin Puetz
2004-10-23 17:02     ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23 22:19       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-24 11:10         ` Rene Herman
2004-10-22 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-22 19:47   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-22 20:15     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-25 15:29   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 15:53     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 16:32       ` Giuliano Pochini
2004-10-28  9:37         ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-28 11:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 12:21           ` David Greaves
2004-10-29 16:04           ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2004-10-22 22:27 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 14:36 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-10-24  8:18 ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 11:54 ` Stuart Longland
2004-10-25 16:38 ` Lars Roland
2004-10-25 17:08   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 21:02     ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:38       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 22:52   ` Tonnerre
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-20 23:48 Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  0:30 ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-21  0:47   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:09   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-21  1:25 ` Zan Lynx
2004-10-21 15:52   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  4:48 Albert Cahalan
2004-10-21 16:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:54 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:32   ` Baruch Even
2004-10-25 23:30     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-21 17:08 Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22  2:18 ` Tim Connors
2004-10-21 17:44 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:36   ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-21 22:40     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 23:25       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 23:40       ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22 16:48         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 16:50           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 17:41             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 23:10             ` Tonnerre
2004-10-26  0:32     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-22 15:59   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2004-10-22  3:47 Roy Butler
2004-10-22 17:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 18:17   ` Mail Lists
2004-10-25 12:17     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-10-22 10:31 John Ripley
2004-10-22 12:58 ` Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-10-22 17:33 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:15 Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23  4:45 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23  7:06   ` Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23 19:06 Bodo Eggert
2004-10-25  1:44 ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  8:23   ` Vojtech Pavlik
     [not found] <6.1.2.0.1.20041026082223.0231edd8@mail.javagear.com>
2004-10-26 15:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 16:35   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-26 16:57     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26 21:14   ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:41     ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-17 14:35 Sid Boyce
2004-11-17 14:46 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-23 13:47 ` Karel Kulhavy
2004-11-23 22:48 ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-24  1:22   ` Sid Boyce

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