* 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
@ 2004-10-23 23:06 Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-25 19:03 ` Christophe Saout
2004-10-26 14:00 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Segaud @ 2004-10-23 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
Well, I gave a try to last -mm tree. The bot seemed good till it got to
LVM stuff. Vgchange does not find any volume groups. I can't say much because
lvm is pretty "early stuff" on this box; so it is pretty unusable. All I know
for now, as I changed a little my boot scripts to be more verbose, is that
vgchange -avvv y returns this kind of message:
hdXN: cannot read LABEL
and this message for all parts it can test....
As I need this box up and running, I came back to 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 (it works
pretty well). I will be able to run more tests on it, tomorrow but for now
that's all I can provide.
Oh and dmesg didn't have any oops or BUG in it, and seemed quite usual,
in IDE detection and settings messages and device-mapper messages.
However, I use dm-crypt to encrypt my / (no initrd, just initramfs) and
it works under 2.6.9-mm1, so the bug is likely to be in IDE stuff.
Sorry, for not being able to provide more infos. I will see if I can try on
another LVM'ed box but not for critical stuff.
Mathieu
--
Lots of luck ... please pass your crack pipe arounds so the rest of us
idiots can see your vision or lack of ...
- Andre Hedrick on linux-kernel
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-23 23:06 Mathieu Segaud
@ 2004-10-25 19:03 ` Christophe Saout
2004-10-25 22:31 ` Mathieu Segaud
` (2 more replies)
2004-10-26 14:00 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
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From: Christophe Saout @ 2004-10-25 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Segaud; +Cc: linux-kernel, Alasdair G Kergon
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Am Sonntag, den 24.10.2004, 01:06 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Segaud:
> Well, I gave a try to last -mm tree. The bot seemed good till it got to
> LVM stuff. Vgchange does not find any volume groups. I can't say much because
> lvm is pretty "early stuff" on this box; so it is pretty unusable. All I know
> for now, as I changed a little my boot scripts to be more verbose, is that
> vgchange -avvv y returns this kind of message:
> hdXN: cannot read LABEL
> and this message for all parts it can test....
> As I need this box up and running, I came back to 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 (it works
> pretty well). I will be able to run more tests on it, tomorrow but for now
> that's all I can provide.
>
> Oh and dmesg didn't have any oops or BUG in it, and seemed quite usual,
> in IDE detection and settings messages and device-mapper messages.
>
> However, I use dm-crypt to encrypt my / (no initrd, just initramfs) and
> it works under 2.6.9-mm1, so the bug is likely to be in IDE stuff.
Are you encrypting your PV or your LVs?
There's some new dm-crypt code in -mm1 along with some API changes, but
backward compatibility is provided and should work.
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-25 19:03 ` Christophe Saout
@ 2004-10-25 22:31 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 11:00 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 12:36 ` jfannin1
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Segaud @ 2004-10-25 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christophe Saout; +Cc: linux-kernel, Alasdair G Kergon
Christophe Saout <christophe@saout.de> disait dernièrement que :
> Are you encrypting your PV or your LVs?
non they are not encrypted, I thought about the new iv but my aes-encrypted
/ still boot :)
I wonder if it comes from some ide changes, as the messages from vgscan and
vgchange indicate that LABEL areas are detected, but cannot be read....
quite weird as anything else works quite well...
>
> There's some new dm-crypt code in -mm1 along with some API changes, but
> backward compatibility is provided and should work.
Best regards,
Mathieu
--
printk("----------- [cut here ] --------- [please bite here ] ---------\n");
linux-2.6.6/arch/x86_64/kernel/traps.
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-25 19:03 ` Christophe Saout
2004-10-25 22:31 ` Mathieu Segaud
@ 2004-10-26 11:00 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 12:36 ` jfannin1
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Segaud @ 2004-10-26 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christophe Saout; +Cc: linux-kernel, Alasdair G Kergon
Christophe Saout <christophe@saout.de> disait dernièrement que :
> Are you encrypting your PV or your LVs?
>
> There's some new dm-crypt code in -mm1 along with some API changes, but
> backward compatibility is provided and should work.
I tried 2.6.9-mm1, reverting all the new dm-crypt stuff, and it didn't make it.
So it is not related to these patches.
Will look further into it later; for now I must go working on my PhD :)
Best regards,
--
<riel> google rules
<google> rules: http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/overview.html
- Rik van Riel chatting with the bots on #kernelnewbies
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-25 19:03 ` Christophe Saout
2004-10-25 22:31 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 11:00 ` Mathieu Segaud
@ 2004-10-26 12:36 ` jfannin1
2004-10-26 13:55 ` Jeff Chua
2004-10-26 13:59 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: jfannin1 @ 2004-10-26 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christophe Saout; +Cc: Mathieu Segaud, linux-kernel, Alasdair G Kergon
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:03:22PM +0200, Christophe Saout wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 24.10.2004, 01:06 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Segaud:
>
>>Well, I gave a try to last -mm tree. The bot seemed good till it got to
>>LVM stuff. Vgchange does not find any volume groups. I can't say much because
>>lvm is pretty "early stuff" on this box; so it is pretty unusable.
LVM doesn't work with 2.6.9-mm1 here either, complaining that it
can't find all the pv's. I'm not using any sort of encryption. Here,
pvdisplay reports:
--- Physical volume ---
PV Name /dev/hda2
VG Name home
PV Size 24.52 GB / not usable 0
Allocatable yes (but full)
PE Size (KByte) 4096
Total PE 6277
Free PE 0
Allocated PE 6277
PV UUID M8tcls-7Tp7-sAYe-ypH3-if50-00JH-hvvXSL
--- Physical volume ---
PV Name unknown device
VG Name home
PV Size 70.47 GB / not usable 0
Allocatable yes (but full)
PE Size (KByte) 4096
Total PE 18040
Free PE 0
Allocated PE 18040
PV UUID SmreB9-Q3dp-DBBc-q0N9-v762-o6UB-1VUgYw
--- Physical volume ---
PV Name unknown device
VG Name home
PV Size 25.12 GB / not usable 0
Allocatable yes (but full)
PE Size (KByte) 4096
Total PE 6431
Free PE 0
Allocated PE 6431
PV UUID sbbFSh-0MP8-jtir-Jcyx-VtcE-TxNh-tfNwNe
I can open the device nodes for the 'missing' pv's in a hexeditor and see the
uuid magic; if I reboot into 2.6.9-rc4-mm1 they are found without a
problem, and everything works.
Whether or not I'll have time to try to narrow down the change
that causes this depends on things that are out of my control ATM. :-/
--
Joseph Fannin
jfannin1@columbus.rr.com
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 12:36 ` jfannin1
@ 2004-10-26 13:55 ` Jeff Chua
2004-10-26 14:09 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2004-10-26 13:59 ` Alasdair G Kergon
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jeff Chua @ 2004-10-26 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jfannin1
Cc: Christophe Saout, Mathieu Segaud, Linux Kernel, Alasdair G Kergon
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 jfannin1@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:03:22PM +0200, Christophe Saout wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, den 24.10.2004, 01:06 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Segaud:
>>
>>> Well, I gave a try to last -mm tree. The bot seemed good till it got to
>>> LVM stuff. Vgchange does not find any volume groups. I can't say much because
>>> lvm is pretty "early stuff" on this box; so it is pretty unusable.
>
> LVM doesn't work with 2.6.9-mm1 here either, complaining that it
> can't find all the pv's. I'm not using any sort of encryption. Here,
> pvdisplay reports:
It doesn't work on 2.6.10-rc1 either. Works fine on 2.6.9 and 2.4.8-rc1.
device-mapper ioctl cmd 0 failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
striped: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel
lvcreate: Create a logical volume
Jeff.
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 12:36 ` jfannin1
2004-10-26 13:55 ` Jeff Chua
@ 2004-10-26 13:59 ` Alasdair G Kergon
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alasdair G Kergon @ 2004-10-26 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Segaud, jfannin1; +Cc: Christophe Saout, linux-kernel
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 08:36:51AM -0400, jfannin1@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> LVM doesn't work with 2.6.9-mm1 here either, complaining that it
> can't find all the pv's. I'm not using any sort of encryption. Here,
> pvdisplay reports:
> I can open the device nodes for the 'missing' pv's in a hexeditor and see the
> uuid magic; if I reboot into 2.6.9-rc4-mm1 they are found without a
> problem, and everything works.
Firstly enable lvm debugging. lvm.conf: log { file="/tmp/lvm2.log" level=7 }
Compare the lvm log files for the kernels to see where it's going wrong.
Then take complete straces (incl. read/write data) of the lvm process
with each kernel and again compare them. [Or put files on web and send URLs.]
[To check for repeat of old problems with related symptoms:]
Were both kernels compiled with the same compiler version? Which version?
Does it make any difference if you rebuild lvm with --disable-o_direct?
Alasdair
--
agk@redhat.com
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-23 23:06 Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-25 19:03 ` Christophe Saout
@ 2004-10-26 14:00 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-10-26 17:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz @ 2004-10-26 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Segaud; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:06:07 +0200, Mathieu Segaud
<matt@minas-morgul.org> wrote:
>
> Well, I gave a try to last -mm tree. The bot seemed good till it got to
> LVM stuff. Vgchange does not find any volume groups. I can't say much because
> lvm is pretty "early stuff" on this box; so it is pretty unusable. All I know
> for now, as I changed a little my boot scripts to be more verbose, is that
> vgchange -avvv y returns this kind of message:
> hdXN: cannot read LABEL
> and this message for all parts it can test....
> As I need this box up and running, I came back to 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 (it works
> pretty well). I will be able to run more tests on it, tomorrow but for now
> that's all I can provide.
>
> Oh and dmesg didn't have any oops or BUG in it, and seemed quite usual,
> in IDE detection and settings messages and device-mapper messages.
>
> However, I use dm-crypt to encrypt my / (no initrd, just initramfs) and
> it works under 2.6.9-mm1, so the bug is likely to be in IDE stuff.
prove it ;)
There were only minor IDE changes from 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 to 2.6.9-mm1,
I don't see any obvious suspects...
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 13:55 ` Jeff Chua
@ 2004-10-26 14:09 ` Alasdair G Kergon
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alasdair G Kergon @ 2004-10-26 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Chua; +Cc: jfannin1, Christophe Saout, Mathieu Segaud, Linux Kernel
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 09:55:38PM +0800, Jeff Chua wrote:
> It doesn't work on 2.6.10-rc1 either. Works fine on 2.6.9 and 2.4.8-rc1.
> device-mapper ioctl cmd 0 failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Do you get any corresponding kernel messages?
Check /dev/mapper/control corresponds to /proc/devices & /proc/misc.
(See device-mapper scripts/devmap_mknod.sh)
Use 'dmsetup version' and 'dmsetup targets' to test.
Alasdair
--
agk@redhat.com
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 14:00 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
@ 2004-10-26 17:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-10-26 17:21 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 17:54 ` Mathieu Segaud
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz @ 2004-10-26 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Segaud; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:00:47 +0200, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
<bzolnier@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:06:07 +0200, Mathieu Segaud
> <matt@minas-morgul.org> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I gave a try to last -mm tree. The bot seemed good till it got to
> > LVM stuff. Vgchange does not find any volume groups. I can't say much because
> > lvm is pretty "early stuff" on this box; so it is pretty unusable. All I know
> > for now, as I changed a little my boot scripts to be more verbose, is that
> > vgchange -avvv y returns this kind of message:
> > hdXN: cannot read LABEL
> > and this message for all parts it can test....
> > As I need this box up and running, I came back to 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 (it works
> > pretty well). I will be able to run more tests on it, tomorrow but for now
> > that's all I can provide.
> >
> > Oh and dmesg didn't have any oops or BUG in it, and seemed quite usual,
> > in IDE detection and settings messages and device-mapper messages.
> >
> > However, I use dm-crypt to encrypt my / (no initrd, just initramfs) and
> > it works under 2.6.9-mm1, so the bug is likely to be in IDE stuff.
>
> prove it ;)
To make this task easier I prepared 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 to 2.6.9-mm1 IDE patch:
http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bzolnier/ide-2.6.9-rc3-mm3-to-2.6.9-mm1.patch.bz2
Just revert it from 2.6.9-mm1.
> There were only minor IDE changes from 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 to 2.6.9-mm1,
> I don't see any obvious suspects...
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 17:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
@ 2004-10-26 17:21 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 17:54 ` Mathieu Segaud
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Segaud @ 2004-10-26 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz; +Cc: linux-kernel
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com> disait dernièrement que :
> To make this task easier I prepared 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 to 2.6.9-mm1 IDE patch:
>
> http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bzolnier/ide-2.6.9-rc3-mm3-to-2.6.9-mm1.patch.bz2
>
> Just revert it from 2.6.9-mm1.
thx, I will test it soon.
I have just made straces of vgchange processes in success and failure cases
(there is little difference in the fact that in the failure case, I added
-v verbose option but that's all)
vgchange tries to read 2 chunks of data from the partition:
- the first 2048 bytes,
- and after closing device, and reopening it, the 512 next ones.
in the failure case, the first read succeeds with just 1536 bytes read,
which causes the process to issue another read syscall to read the "missing"
512 bytes, which fails...
for now, that's all I can see
I will enable lvm debugging, for the next try
the straces are:
http://www.crans.org/~segaud/vgchange.failure
http://www.crans.org/~segaud/vgchange.succeeded
(names are obvious)
Best regards,
Mathieu
--
"I am a living example of someone who took on an issue and benefited from it."
George W. Bush
April 25, 2001
Speaking to John King of CNN.
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 17:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-10-26 17:21 ` Mathieu Segaud
@ 2004-10-26 17:54 ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 18:04 ` Mathieu Segaud
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Segaud @ 2004-10-26 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz; +Cc: linux-kernel
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com> disait dernièrement que :
>> > However, I use dm-crypt to encrypt my / (no initrd, just initramfs) and
>> > it works under 2.6.9-mm1, so the bug is likely to be in IDE stuff.
>>
>> prove it ;)
>
> To make this task easier I prepared 2.6.9-rc3-mm3 to 2.6.9-mm1 IDE patch:
>
> http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bzolnier/ide-2.6.9-rc3-mm3-to-2.6.9-mm1.patch.bz2
>
> Just revert it from 2.6.9-mm1.
reverting ide changes do not change anything....
error is still here
The only changes I can see now, are the md changes. I will try reverting it,
and if I get no positive results, I give up (for today :))
--
printk("What? oldfid != cii->c_fid. Call 911.\n");
linux-2.4.3/fs/coda/cnode.c
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-10-26 17:54 ` Mathieu Segaud
@ 2004-10-26 18:04 ` Mathieu Segaud
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Segaud @ 2004-10-26 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz; +Cc: linux-kernel
Mathieu Segaud <matt@minas-morgul.org> disait dernièrement que :
> reverting ide changes do not change anything....
> error is still here
> The only changes I can see now, are the md changes. I will try reverting it,
> and if I get no positive results, I give up (for today :))
obviously, md changes cannot have caused this failure....my mistake
I will dig again and again, if need be
--
dprintk(5, KERN_DEBUG "Jotti is een held!\n");
linux-2.6.6/drivers/media/video/zoran_card.c
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
@ 2004-11-01 22:52 Laurent Riffard
2004-11-02 22:32 ` Laurent Riffard
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Riffard @ 2004-11-01 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kernel development list
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Hello,
Lvm2 stopped working since 2.6.9-mm1 for me too : 2.6.9-rc4-mm1 was
fine, 2.6.9-mm1 to 2.6.10-mm2 break lvm2. Reverting
dio-handle-eof.patch on these kernel solves the problem.
I have a simple test case here.
With 2.6.9-rc4-mm1, "pvdisplay /dev/hda4" shows :
--- Physical volume ---
PV Name /dev/hda4
VG Name vglinux1
PV Size 19,07 GB / not usable 0
Allocatable yes
PE Size (KByte) 4096
Total PE 4882
Free PE 3424
Allocated PE 1458
PV UUID Kvi5oA-d8NL-DU0n-vJpt-TKb3-RmDP-nrZoaz
With later -mm kernel, "pvdisplay /dev/hda4" shows :
No physical volume label read from /dev/hda4
Failed to read physical volume "/dev/hda4"
I tracked down the problem to this code section in fs/direct-io.c (function direct_io_worker) :
1012 dio->total_pages = 0;
1013 if (user_addr & (PAGE_SIZE-1)) {
1014 dio->total_pages++;
1015 bytes -= PAGE_SIZE - (user_addr & (PAGE_SIZE - 1));
1016 }
1017 dio->total_pages += (bytes + PAGE_SIZE - 1) / PAGE_SIZE;
1018 dio->curr_user_address = user_addr;
1019
1020 ret = do_direct_IO(dio);
1021
1022 dio->result += bytes -
1023 ((dio->final_block_in_request - dio->block_in_file) <<
1024 blkbits);
In my case, direct_io_worker is called to read 2048 bytes at the beginning of /dev/hda4 :
user_addr=0xbfff9800 (half page aligned)
bytes=2048 (half page)
So "bytes" is zeroed line 1015.
And dio->result is zeroed line 1023.
As a result, direct_io_worker returns 0.
Before dio-handle-eof.patch, line 1022 was :
dio->result += iov[seg].iov_len -
What is the semantic of "bytes" line 1015 : bytes to read on the next page ?
Did I miss something ?
hope this helps...
I will do some tests if needed.
--
laurent
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* Re: 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working
2004-11-01 22:52 2.6.9-mm1: LVM stopped working Laurent Riffard
@ 2004-11-02 22:32 ` Laurent Riffard
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Riffard @ 2004-11-02 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kernel development list; +Cc: Jens Axboe, Mathieu Segaud
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I applied the following patch [http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/11/2/129]
from Jens Axboe onto kernel 2.6.10-rc1-mm2 (succeeded with offset 2
lines) and it solved the problem.
Thanks.
BTW, is there a mean to reply to a post in lkml witout being
subscribed ?
- --
laurent
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