USB-Serial fails with USB 2.0 Hub

USB-Serial fails with USB 2.0 Hub

[Robin Getz]

Hi.

Two problems with kernel 2.6.4 (SuSe 9.1):

1) When I use a Belkin F5U409 usb-serial converter:
     - when plugged directly into chipset (Intel ICH5), works great.
     - when plugged in through a USB 1.0 hub, works great
     - when plugged in throught USB 2.0 Hub (Belkin F5U237), fails.
       Failure mechanism is: Tx works, Rx does not.

Any further info someone needs, or thoughts?

Thanks

USB-1.1 fails with USB 2.0 Hub [was: Re: USB-Serial fails with USB 2.0 Hub]

[Gregor Jasny]

On Monday 08 November 2004 16:49, you wrote:
> Two problems with kernel 2.6.4 (SuSe 9.1):
>
> 1) When I use a Belkin F5U409 usb-serial converter:
>      - when plugged directly into chipset (Intel ICH5), works great.
>      - when plugged in through a USB 1.0 hub, works great
>      - when plugged in throught USB 2.0 Hub (Belkin F5U237), fails.
>        Failure mechanism is: Tx works, Rx does not.

Just a simple me, too. I've got the problem with a TerraCAM USB Pro. Plugged 
into my Apple Keyboard it works (with a warning about high power 
consumption). But if I plug it into my Belkin F5U237 the driver complains 
with: "drivers/usb/media/ov511.c: init isoc: usb_submit_urb(0) ret -38".

Have you already tried another USBv2 hub?

Cheers,
-Gregor

PS: I'm using a ASUS P4C800deluxe and Linux 2.6.9

Re: USB-1.1 fails with USB 2.0 Hub [was: Re: USB-Serial fails with USB 2.0 Hub]

[Gregor Jasny]

On Thursday 11 November 2004 20:03, you wrote:
> On Monday 08 November 2004 16:49, you wrote:
> > Two problems with kernel 2.6.4 (SuSe 9.1):
> >
> > 1) When I use a Belkin F5U409 usb-serial converter:
> >      - when plugged directly into chipset (Intel ICH5), works great.
> >      - when plugged in through a USB 1.0 hub, works great
> >      - when plugged in throught USB 2.0 Hub (Belkin F5U237), fails.
> >        Failure mechanism is: Tx works, Rx does not.
>
> Just a simple me, too. I've got the problem with a TerraCAM USB Pro.
> Plugged into my Apple Keyboard it works (with a warning about high power
> consumption). But if I plug it into my Belkin F5U237 the driver complains
> with: "drivers/usb/media/ov511.c: init isoc: usb_submit_urb(0) ret -38".

A simple list of working and nonworking devices:

Works:
* Logitech MouseMan Optical Dual
* Apple Pro Keyboard
* Iomega ZIP 100

Works not:
* TerraCAM USB Pro: (ov511 v2.28)
drivers/usb/media/ov511.c: init isoc: usb_submit_urb(0) ret -38

* USB-to-Serial (pl2303)
pl2303_open - failed submitting interrupt urb, error -28


Perhaps a driver programming bug?

Cheers,
-Gregor

Re: USB-1.1 fails with USB 2.0 Hub

[Juergen Stuber]

Hi Gregor,

Gregor Jasny <Gregor.Jasny@epost.de> writes:
>
> Just a simple me, too. 

I don't think it is the same problem.

> I've got the problem with a TerraCAM USB Pro. Plugged 
> into my Apple Keyboard it works (with a warning about high power 
> consumption). But if I plug it into my Belkin F5U237 the driver complains 
> with: "drivers/usb/media/ov511.c: init isoc: usb_submit_urb(0) ret -38".

-38 is -ENOSYS which means "Function not implemented"
(see include/asm-generic/errno.h in the kernel sources).
To support USB 1.1 devices over a 2.0 hub the hub contains
a so-called transaction translator that needs special support
in the USB driver, and which works differently for isochronous
transfers (note the isoc in the error message).
This is usually implemented after the other transfer types.

> Have you already tried another USBv2 hub?

I don't think you can cure it with a different 2.0 hub.
You can either use only 1.1 hubs on the path to the device,
like with the keyboard, or try a newer kernel version
(but then 2.6.9 is already rather new).


Hope this helps

Jürgen

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Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Terry Hardie]

Well, this has been plauging me for months, and finally figured it out.

Any 2.6 kernel on my board, would boot, then give errors (paraphrased,
sorry) when I tried to bring up the ethernet:

NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
IRQ #18: Nobody cared!

And no ethernet conectivity.

The Fix: Update bios from asus' website. I guess their ACPI was screwed
up. This is the second time I've had to update this MB to fix
incompatibilities with Linux. So, watch out with Asus boards on Linux.

BTW - Linux 2.4's driver worked fine with the old bios. Only 2.6 didn't
work.


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Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Bill Davidsen]

Terry Hardie wrote:
> Well, this has been plauging me for months, and finally figured it out.
> 
> Any 2.6 kernel on my board, would boot, then give errors (paraphrased,
> sorry) when I tried to bring up the ethernet:
> 
> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
> IRQ #18: Nobody cared!
> 
> And no ethernet conectivity.
> 
> The Fix: Update bios from asus' website. I guess their ACPI was screwed
> up. This is the second time I've had to update this MB to fix
> incompatibilities with Linux. So, watch out with Asus boards on Linux.
> 
> BTW - Linux 2.4's driver worked fine with the old bios. Only 2.6 didn't
> work.

I'm having that problem, although I didn't with 2.6.7. I'll grab the 
latest BIOS, I have the P4P800 installed, and a P4P800-E deluxe in the 
box with CPU and parts to make it work. Just no particular need for 
another system at this instant.

I think it *may* be related to the VIA RAID controller, although I 
haven't had time to do reboots to see, since I'm trying to get the 
*&*^%&^% i810 audio into 4 channel mode at the moment, which I need more 
than 2.6.

Actually, until 2.6 will use the VIA controller I can't run it full time 
anyway.

-- 
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   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Bill Davidsen]

Terry Hardie wrote:
> Well, this has been plauging me for months, and finally figured it out.
> 
> Any 2.6 kernel on my board, would boot, then give errors (paraphrased,
> sorry) when I tried to bring up the ethernet:
> 
> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
> IRQ #18: Nobody cared!
> 
> And no ethernet conectivity.
> 
> The Fix: Update bios from asus' website. I guess their ACPI was screwed
> up. This is the second time I've had to update this MB to fix
> incompatibilities with Linux. So, watch out with Asus boards on Linux.
> 
> BTW - Linux 2.4's driver worked fine with the old bios. Only 2.6 didn't
> work.

Some additional info, I've been investigating this for a few hours, and 
it appears that (a) IRQ 18 on my system is shared by ide0 and ide1, and 
that the IRQ storm seems to start the first time I use ide1 (DVD only).

I will be posting a bunch of dmesg results when/if the system reboots, 
but acpi={off,ht} doesn't help, pollirq doesn't help, and system 
shutdown leaves the system unbootable without a full (pull the power 
cord) hardware power cycle.

Questions:
1 - do you have trouble rebooting after a failure?
2 - do you see the IRQ 18 storm start just after the first use of ide1?
3 - and of course if you can get up in console mode, are ide0 and ide1 
shared?

I may rebuild the kernel with IRQ share off just to see if that helps.

-- 
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   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Terry Hardie]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Bill Davidsen wrote:

> Terry Hardie wrote:
> > Well, this has been plauging me for months, and finally figured it out.
> >
> > Any 2.6 kernel on my board, would boot, then give errors (paraphrased,
> > sorry) when I tried to bring up the ethernet:
> >
> > NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
> > IRQ #18: Nobody cared!
> >
> > And no ethernet conectivity.
> >
> > The Fix: Update bios from asus' website. I guess their ACPI was screwed
> > up. This is the second time I've had to update this MB to fix
> > incompatibilities with Linux. So, watch out with Asus boards on Linux.
> >
> > BTW - Linux 2.4's driver worked fine with the old bios. Only 2.6 didn't
> > work.
>
> Some additional info, I've been investigating this for a few hours, and
> it appears that (a) IRQ 18 on my system is shared by ide0 and ide1, and
> that the IRQ storm seems to start the first time I use ide1 (DVD only).
>
> I will be posting a bunch of dmesg results when/if the system reboots,
> but acpi={off,ht} doesn't help, pollirq doesn't help, and system
> shutdown leaves the system unbootable without a full (pull the power
> cord) hardware power cycle.
>
> Questions:
> 1 - do you have trouble rebooting after a failure?

Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures

> 2 - do you see the IRQ 18 storm start just after the first use of ide1?

No. I got it when I used the ethernet, which was on IRQ 18. I'm not using
ide0 and ide1 on my board. I'm using a 3ware SATA RAID controller

> 3 - and of course if you can get up in console mode, are ide0 and ide1
> shared?

I think they are, although I can't be sure since I am not using them -
They don't show up in my /proc/interrupts.

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Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Bill Davidsen]

Terry Hardie wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> 
> 
>>Terry Hardie wrote:
>>
>>>Well, this has been plauging me for months, and finally figured it out.
>>>
>>>Any 2.6 kernel on my board, would boot, then give errors (paraphrased,
>>>sorry) when I tried to bring up the ethernet:
>>>
>>>NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
>>>IRQ #18: Nobody cared!
>>>
>>>And no ethernet conectivity.
>>>
>>>The Fix: Update bios from asus' website. I guess their ACPI was screwed
>>>up. This is the second time I've had to update this MB to fix
>>>incompatibilities with Linux. So, watch out with Asus boards on Linux.
>>>
>>>BTW - Linux 2.4's driver worked fine with the old bios. Only 2.6 didn't
>>>work.
>>
>>Some additional info, I've been investigating this for a few hours, and
>>it appears that (a) IRQ 18 on my system is shared by ide0 and ide1, and
>>that the IRQ storm seems to start the first time I use ide1 (DVD only).
>>
>>I will be posting a bunch of dmesg results when/if the system reboots,
>>but acpi={off,ht} doesn't help, pollirq doesn't help, and system
>>shutdown leaves the system unbootable without a full (pull the power
>>cord) hardware power cycle.
>>
>>Questions:
>>1 - do you have trouble rebooting after a failure?
> 
> 
> Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures

I hesitate to try that, since the web page says you must use "real DOS" 
and gives instructions for creating the FD using that. Since I lack both 
DOS and a floppy, that does present problems...

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Terry Hardie]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Bill Davidsen wrote:

> > Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures
>
> I hesitate to try that, since the web page says you must use "real DOS"
> and gives instructions for creating the FD using that. Since I lack both
> DOS and a floppy, that does present problems...

Not even a windows XP machine you can use to make a boot floppy?

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net.com, 6900 Paseo Padre Parkway
Fremont, CA 94555, USA				V: +1-510-574-2366

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Lee Revell]

On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 13:26 -0800, Terry Hardie wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> 
> > > Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures
> >
> > I hesitate to try that, since the web page says you must use "real DOS"
> > and gives instructions for creating the FD using that. Since I lack both
> > DOS and a floppy, that does present problems...
> 
> Not even a windows XP machine you can use to make a boot floppy?

You don't need an XP machine.  Google for "dos boot disk images" or
something and use dd.  I cannot vouch for the legality of whatever you
find ;-)

Lee

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Bill Davidsen]

Terry Hardie wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> 
> 
>>>Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures
>>
>>I hesitate to try that, since the web page says you must use "real DOS"
>>and gives instructions for creating the FD using that. Since I lack both
>>DOS and a floppy, that does present problems...
> 
> 
> Not even a windows XP machine you can use to make a boot floppy?

I can write the firmware on a CD and use an XP machine in several 
places, but then I have no place to stick the floppy after I write it...

Guess I can try writing the floppy as a 1.44 bootable image on a CD, but 
that is really ugly. A lot of people say they have given up Windows, but 
the hardware vendors haven't.

Thanks for the pointer in any case, it looks as if my P4P800-E mobo will 
need the same flash, I'll stick a floppy in that one when I assemble it.

-- 
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   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Klaus Kurzmann]

* Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> [050115 06:13]:
> Terry Hardie wrote:
> >On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures
> >>
> >>I hesitate to try that, since the web page says you must use "real DOS"
> >>and gives instructions for creating the FD using that. Since I lack both
> >>DOS and a floppy, that does present problems...
> >
> >
> >Not even a windows XP machine you can use to make a boot floppy?

> I can write the firmware on a CD and use an XP machine in several 
> places, but then I have no place to stick the floppy after I write it...
the P4P800-E should have EZ-flash. No need for boot floppies. Just put
the ROM-Image on a CD (or floppy) and press Alt-F2 on startup:

http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/ezflash.htm

Re: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe and Intel Pro/1000

[Bill Davidsen]

Klaus Kurzmann wrote:
> * Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> [050115 06:13]:
> 
>>Terry Hardie wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Since I flashed my bios, no more problems, so I've had no more failures
>>>>
>>>>I hesitate to try that, since the web page says you must use "real DOS"
>>>>and gives instructions for creating the FD using that. Since I lack both
>>>>DOS and a floppy, that does present problems...
>>>
>>>
>>>Not even a windows XP machine you can use to make a boot floppy?
> 
> 
>>I can write the firmware on a CD and use an XP machine in several 
>>places, but then I have no place to stick the floppy after I write it...
> 
> the P4P800-E should have EZ-flash. No need for boot floppies. Just put
> the ROM-Image on a CD (or floppy) and press Alt-F2 on startup:
> 
> http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/ezflash.htm
> 
> 
And that should do it! Thank you so much.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

Re: USB-Serial fails with USB 2.0 Hub

[Greg KH]

On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 07:49:09AM -0800, Robin Getz wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Two problems with kernel 2.6.4 (SuSe 9.1):
> 
> 1) When I use a Belkin F5U409 usb-serial converter:
>     - when plugged directly into chipset (Intel ICH5), works great.
>     - when plugged in through a USB 1.0 hub, works great
>     - when plugged in throught USB 2.0 Hub (Belkin F5U237), fails.
>       Failure mechanism is: Tx works, Rx does not.

Known issue.  See the linux-usb-devel mailing list for more details.

For now, just don't do that :)

thanks,

greg k-h