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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	riel@redhat.com, andrea@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:51:34 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41DC7D86.8050609@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050105203217.GB17265@logos.cnet>

Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>>The caller would need to wait on all the zones which can satisfy the
>>caller's allocation request.  A bit messy, although not rocket science. 
>>One would have to be careful to avoid additional CPU consumption due to
>>delivery of multiple wakeups at each I/O completion.
>>
>>We should be able to demonstrate that such a change really fixes some
>>problem though.  Otherwise, why bother?
> 
> 
> Agreed. The current scheme works well enough, we dont have spurious OOM kills
> anymore, which is the only "problem" such change ought to fix. 
> 
> You might have performance increase in some situations I believe (because you 
> have perzone waitqueues), but I agree its does not seem to be worth the
> trouble.

I think what Andrea is worried about is that blk_congestion_wait is
fairly vague, and can be a source of instability in the scanning
implementation.

For example, if you have a heavy IO workload that is saturating your
disks, blk_congestion_wait may do the right thing and sleep until
they become uncongested and writeout can continue.

But at 2:00 am, when your backup job is trickling writes into another
block device, blk_congestion_wait returns much earlier, and before
many pages have been cleaned.

Bad example? Yeah maybe, but I think this is what Andrea is getting
at. Would it be a problem to replace those blk_congestion_waits with
unconditional io_schedule_timeout()s? That would be the dumb-but-more
-deterministic solution.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-05 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-03 17:25 [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 10:08 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 18:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 18:50     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 17:49       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 21:44         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 20:32           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 23:51             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-01-06  1:27               ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  1:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  1:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:52                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  1:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  3:42                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  3:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:35                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:55                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:03                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  8:06                               ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:16                                 ` memory barrier in ll_rw_blk.c (was Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned) Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  8:32                                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06 12:00                                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  4:59                             ` [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:05                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:17                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:19                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:25                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:36                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:44                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:37                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06 13:28                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  5:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  6:16                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:21                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 23:26 ` Andrew Morton

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