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From: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
To: karim@opersys.com
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	Nikita Danilov <nikita@clusterfs.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	ltt-dev <ltt-dev@listserv.shafik.org>
Subject: Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:58:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41E84E9E.1000907@am.sony.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41E8358A.4030908@opersys.com>

Karim Yaghmour wrote:
> Roman Zippel wrote: 
>>You don't think that's a little overkill?
>
>Based on the descriptions below, I think Roman is right.  There's
too much going on here for the average user.  I haven't looked closely,
but some of the stuff seems to be for esoteric use cases.  There are
two ways to approach it:
 - add a simplified API for the most common usage
 - strip out the stuff that's not really needed, and figure out
 workarounds for things (like tracing initialization) that need
 special assistance.

Some of these options (e.g. bufsize) are available to the user
via tracedaemon. I can honestly say I haven't got a clue what
to use for some of them, and so always leave them at defaults.

> I can see why you'd say this as a first impression, but really it isn't.
> 
> Here's a simple primer to this call's parameters:
> channel_path, mode:
> 	Where does this appear in relayfs and what rights do
> 	user-space apps have over it (rwx).
> bufsize, nbufs:
> 	Usually things have to be subdivided in sub-buffers to make
> 	both writing and reading simple. LTT uses this to allow,
> 	among other things, random trace access.
Could these be simplified to a few enumerated modes?

> channel_flags, channel_callbacks:
> start_reserve, end_reserve, rchan_start_reserve:
> resize_min, resize_max:
> init_buf, init_buf_size:

It seems like you could remove these from relay_open() and move them to
get()/set() operations if you wanted to simplify the open API.
Or, you could create other (separate) APIs to pre-fill the buffer or
reserve space.  Do you want me to take a look at this and propose
some specific changes?  (I won't get to this until Monday, though).

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Electronics
=============================

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-14 23:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-14  8:23 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  8:47 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  9:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 10:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Nikita Danilov
2005-01-14 10:38     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 11:06       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 15:31         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-14 21:11           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:58             ` Tim Bird [this message]
2005-01-15  0:20               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-15  4:25               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  1:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-15  4:18               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  2:38                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  6:00                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:52                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 21:18                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17  1:37                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  2:24                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 12:20                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:32                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 22:42                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 23:26                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:41                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  0:02                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18  3:05                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 13:54                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-17 21:27                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 23:57                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  4:03                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  4:30                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Aaron Cohen
2005-01-18  4:46                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:07                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 16:40                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 19:37                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 15:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-21  6:26                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-21 22:23                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-23  7:43                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  7:52                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  8:28                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-24  0:38                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-25  9:12                                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  1:13                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  2:52                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 17:02                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 19:05                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:14                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-19 16:53                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 16:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:47               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:30               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:11                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-14 15:24   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 11:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-18 11:46     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-18 14:52       ` [Lkst-develop] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-14 12:36 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-14 13:04 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Kasper Sandberg
2005-01-14 18:35   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 19:08     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Rogério Brito
2005-01-14 19:41     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Peter Buckingham
2005-01-17 17:04     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Matthias Urlichs
2005-01-14 19:02   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Bill Davidsen
2005-01-14 15:07 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 16:56   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Dave Jones
2005-01-14 17:55     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-19 23:06   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Marcos D. Marado Torres
2005-01-19 23:54     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 15:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-14 22:03   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 17:35 ` [patch] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1: ip_tables.c: ipt_find_target must be EXPORT_SYMBOL'ed Adrian Bunk
2005-01-14 17:43   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-01-14 22:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-14 22:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-14 23:22   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:24     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:27       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:18       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-15 13:08     ` [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  2:09       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  3:11         ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  4:23           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 23:43             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  1:54               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 10:26                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:34                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:18                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:57                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:46                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18 16:31                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-19  7:13                 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-19 17:38                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:48 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andre Eisenbach
2005-01-15  8:42   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-15  8:45   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
     [not found] ` <1105740276.8604.83.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de>
2005-01-14 23:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  0:01     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  0:26       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-15  1:00         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:25           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 10:20             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  4:13               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 15:19                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  1:14       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  9:57         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 16:21     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:49       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:11         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 20:32           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-16 21:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 21:40               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-17 15:48                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 16:13                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-17 21:38                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:39           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 21:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  2:58 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-17 22:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16  0:59 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2005-01-16 19:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-16 19:20     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16 21:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-17 23:31     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 J.A. Magallon
2005-01-18  2:35       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  2:54   ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  0:34     ` Al Viro
2005-01-18  0:02       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-18  8:05         ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-18  8:28         ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-18  8:49           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-18 13:20             ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-20 20:55             ` [PATCH] Configurable delay before mounting root device Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 20:24               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-21 18:15                 ` Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 22:49               ` William Park
2005-01-18  1:03       ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) William Park
2005-01-19  0:43         ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-18  8:02     ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-19 20:11       ` Frank van Maarseveen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-17  6:49 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Prasanna S Panchamukhi

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