From: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@hist.no>
To: "Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>,
Daniel Drake <dsd@gentoo.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Joseph Fannin <jhf@rivenstone.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:28:31 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41ECC8AF.9020404@hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41EC5207.3030003@osdl.org>
Randy.Dunlap wrote:
> Al Viro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 02:54:24AM +0000, Daniel Drake wrote:
>>
>>> Retry up to 20 times if mounting the root device fails. This fixes
>>> booting
>>> from usb-storage devices, which no longer make their partitions
>>> immediately
>>> available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sigh... So we can very well get device coming up in the middle of a
>> loop
>> and get the actual attempts to mount the sucker in wrong order. How
>> nice...
>>
>> Folks, that's not a solution. And kludges like that really have no
>> business being there - they only hide the problem and make it harder
>> to reproduce.
>
>
> Is there a solution other than initrd/initramfs ?
There is a solution that seems obvious to me, so obvious that it ought to
be the first solution to try. And it is guaranteed to not mess up raid
or anything
else too. So perhaps there is something wrong with it, or someone would
have done this
already? Here it is:
Apparently, USB devices doesn't appear immediately (after powerup? after
USB bus initialization?) We know this - therefore the USB block driver
should know this.
The USB block driver should know that 10s (or whatever) hasn't yet
passed, and simply
block any attempt to access block devices (or scan for them) knowing
that it will
not work yet, but any device will be there after the pause. A root mount
on USB will
then succeed at the _first_ try everytime, so no need for retries.
This solution is guaranteed to not mess up raid or anything else,
because the fix is done
in the driver for the "odd" devices, not in the upper layer trying to
use the device as a
root fs.
Surely someone must have thought of this before - is there any reason
why this
won't work well?
The only thing I can think of is that partition scanning will cause a delay
on every system with USB block devices compiled-in, but this could be
postponed when root isn't on usb.
Partition scanning is moving to "early userspace" anyway, isn't it? In
the meantime,
people without USB root that don't want a bootup delay can use modular
usb and load
the module later in some boot script.
Helge Hafting
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2005-01-14 8:23 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 8:47 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 9:27 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 10:27 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Nikita Danilov
2005-01-14 10:38 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 11:06 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 15:31 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-14 21:11 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:58 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15 0:20 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-15 4:25 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 1:06 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-15 4:18 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 2:38 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 6:00 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:52 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 21:18 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 1:37 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 2:24 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 12:20 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:32 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:31 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 22:42 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 23:26 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 0:02 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18 3:05 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 13:54 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-17 21:27 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 23:57 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 4:03 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 4:30 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Aaron Cohen
2005-01-18 4:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 8:07 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 16:40 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 19:37 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 15:31 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-21 6:26 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-21 22:23 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-23 7:43 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23 7:52 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23 8:28 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-24 0:38 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-25 9:12 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 1:13 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 2:52 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 17:02 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 19:05 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:14 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-19 16:53 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 16:14 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:47 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:30 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:11 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-14 15:24 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 11:19 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-18 11:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-18 14:52 ` [Lkst-develop] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-14 12:36 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-14 13:04 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Kasper Sandberg
2005-01-14 18:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 19:08 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Rogério Brito
2005-01-14 19:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Peter Buckingham
2005-01-17 17:04 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Matthias Urlichs
2005-01-14 19:02 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Bill Davidsen
2005-01-14 15:07 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 16:56 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Dave Jones
2005-01-14 17:55 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-19 23:06 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Marcos D. Marado Torres
2005-01-19 23:54 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 15:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-14 22:03 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 17:35 ` [patch] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1: ip_tables.c: ipt_find_target must be EXPORT_SYMBOL'ed Adrian Bunk
2005-01-14 17:43 ` Patrick McHardy
2005-01-14 22:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-14 22:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-14 23:22 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15 0:24 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15 1:27 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:18 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-15 13:08 ` [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 2:09 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 3:11 ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 4:23 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 23:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 1:54 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 10:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:34 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:57 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 8:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18 16:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-19 7:13 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-19 17:38 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:48 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andre Eisenbach
2005-01-15 8:42 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-15 8:45 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
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2005-01-14 23:09 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 0:01 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15 0:26 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-15 1:00 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15 1:25 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 10:20 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 4:13 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 15:19 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15 1:14 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 9:57 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 16:21 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:49 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:11 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 20:32 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-16 21:06 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 21:40 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-17 15:48 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 16:13 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-17 21:38 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:39 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 21:14 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15 2:58 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-17 22:19 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16 0:59 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2005-01-16 19:09 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-16 19:20 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16 21:09 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-17 23:31 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 J.A. Magallon
2005-01-18 2:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-18 2:54 ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) Daniel Drake
2005-01-18 0:34 ` Al Viro
2005-01-18 0:02 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-18 8:05 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-18 8:28 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2005-01-18 8:49 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-18 13:20 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-20 20:55 ` [PATCH] Configurable delay before mounting root device Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 20:24 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-21 18:15 ` Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 22:49 ` William Park
2005-01-18 1:03 ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) William Park
2005-01-19 0:43 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-18 8:02 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-19 20:11 ` Frank van Maarseveen
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