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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>,
	Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
	linux <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rlrevell@joe-job.com, CK Kernel <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	utz <utz@s2y4n2c.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	alexn@dsv.su.se, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:53:43 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F4FDE7.9080803@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050124125814.GA31471@elte.hu>

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Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> 
> 
>>[...] "how do we give low latencies to audio applications (and other,
>>soft-RT alike applications), while not allowing them to lock up the
>>system."
> 
> 
> ok, here is another approach, against 2.6.10/11-ish kernels:
> 
>   http://redhat.com/~mingo/rt-limit-patches/
> 
> this patch adds the /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable: the maximum
> amount of CPU time all RT tasks combined may use, in percent. Defaults
> to 80%.
> 
> just apply the patch to 2.6.11-rc2 and you should be able to run e.g. 
> "jackd -R" as an unprivileged user.
> 
> note that this allows the use of SCHED_FIFO/SCHED_RR policies, without
> the need to add any new scheduling classes. The RT CPU-limit acts on the
> existing RT-scheduling classes, by adding a pretty simple and
> straightforward method of tracking their CPU usage, and limiting them if
> they exceed the threshold. As long as the treshold is not violated the
> scheduling/latency properties of those scheduling classes remains.
> 
> It would be very interesting to see how jackd/jack_test performs with
> this patch applied, and rt_cpu_limit is set to different percentages,
> compared against unpatched SCHED_FIFO performance.

Indeed it would be interesting because assuming there are no bugs in my 
SCHED_ISO implementation (which is unlikely) it should perform the same.

There are a number of features that it would be nice to have addressed 
if we take this route.

Superusers are unable to set anything higher priority than unprivileged 
users. Any restrictions placed on SCHED_RR/FIFO for unprivileged users 
affect superuser tasks as well. The default setting breaks the 
definition of these policies, yet changing the setting to 100 gives 
everyone full rt access.

ie it would be nice for there to be discrepancy between the default cpu 
limits and priority levels available to unprivileged vs superusers, and 
superusers' default settings to remain the same as current SCHED_RR/FIFO 
behaviour.

Cheers,
Con

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-24 13:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-19 22:39 [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:16 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  0:33   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:26     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  5:55       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 17:54   ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-01-20 20:27     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  1:32   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  2:06     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  2:45       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  4:07         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:57           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  5:05             ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-20  5:59             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  6:35               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 15:19                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 15:42                   ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 16:47                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 17:25                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22  0:09                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 16:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 21:23                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  2:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-23  2:58                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-24  8:59                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24  9:55                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-24 10:29                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-24 10:46                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 12:58                                 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:34                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:53                                   ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2005-01-24 14:01                                     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
     [not found]                                   ` <87k6q2umla.fsf@sulphur.joq.us>
2005-01-25  6:28                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-25 14:12                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25  8:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:36                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 21:49                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:55                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 21:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:03                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:16                                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:44                                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-01-26  5:12                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:27                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 11:02                                               ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 13:56                                   ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 14:06                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 22:18                                     ` Peter Williams
2005-01-25 22:26                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 10:08                                         ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 14:22                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 16:18                                           ` [ck] " Cal
2005-01-26 16:29                                             ` Cal
2005-01-26 16:41                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 17:57                                               ` Cal
2005-01-26 18:57                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  2:03                                                   ` Cal
2005-01-27  8:51                                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D8 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 12:48                                                       ` Cal
2005-01-27 16:31                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-26 21:28                                           ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Peter Williams
2005-01-26 21:44                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  9:20                                       ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:03                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-01 10:11                                           ` [patch] sys_setpriority() euid semantics fix Ingo Molnar
2005-02-01 21:46                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  5:24                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 22:27                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 23:29                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  2:31                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  3:26                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  5:15                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  5:54                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  8:35                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27  8:59                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 11:35                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02  5:10                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 11:10                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 16:44                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 21:14                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:20                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:21                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 21:34                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 22:59                                                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03  2:46                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 14:20                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 20:19                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-02-03 20:47                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:15                                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:28                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:59                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 22:24                                                                                   ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 22:26                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:36                                                                           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-03 21:48                                                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-02-04 16:41                                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-04 21:38                                                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 23:01                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-11 21:27                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 21:54                                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 23:03                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-02 23:46                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  1:13                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  3:10                                                                 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  3:56                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 21:36                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:35                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-02-04 17:21                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  2:54                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03  3:25                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 11:37                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 16:01                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 18:59                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 19:31                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:29                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:45                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 20:01                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  6:38                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:09                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:08                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:35                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:40                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  9:01                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  9:11                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  0:44                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  9:51                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-28 22:16                                                   ` Peter Williams
2005-01-28 22:19                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  7:02                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-31 22:29                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-01  0:39                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-01-25  5:16                                 ` [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 15:09                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-23 20:48                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 22:57                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  1:06                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  1:09                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  4:45                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  4:53                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:28                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:35                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:57                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 22:58                                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25  3:55                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 13:05                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 14:38                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 18:36                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 20:52                                                       ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-24 21:46                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:38                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  7:41                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 20:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 21:59                       ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-21  0:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 14:06                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 17:49                     ` ross
2005-01-20 19:07                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-20 23:17                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21  7:48                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07  3:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-07  3:27                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-07  3:27                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  9:06             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 17:09               ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 19:32                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21  9:18                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-21 16:23                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 16:40                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  0:06                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:18                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  6:19                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:48                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:50                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  7:09                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 20:22                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  1:02                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  3:02                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:29                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:46                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:50                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:37                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-23 13:57                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:31                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  1:41                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:56                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:50                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 23:30 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-21 23:48   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  0:28     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-22  3:52       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:15         ` Jack O'Quin

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