From: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>,
Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
linux <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
rlrevell@joe-job.com, CK Kernel <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
utz <utz@s2y4n2c.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
alexn@dsv.su.se, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:18:54 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F6C5CE.9050303@bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050125135613.GA18650@elte.hu>
Ingo Molnar wrote:
> pretty much the only criticism of the RT-CPU patch was that the global
> sysctl is too rigid and that it doesnt allow privileged tasks to ignore
> the limit. I've uploaded a new RT-CPU-limit patch that solves this
> problem:
>
> http://redhat.com/~mingo/rt-limit-patches/
>
> i've removed the global sysctl and implemented a new rlimit,
> RT_CPU_RATIO: the maximum amount of CPU time RT tasks may use, in
> percent. For testing purposes it defaults to 80%.
>
> the RT-limit being an rlimit makes it much more configurable: root tasks
> can have unlimited CPU time limit, while users could have a more
> conservative setting of say 30%. This also makes it per-process and
> runtime configurable as well. The scheduler will instantly act upon any
> new RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit.
>
> (this approach is fundamentally different from the previous patch that
> made the "maximum RT-priority available to an unprivileged task" value
> an rlimit - with priorities being an rlimit we still havent made RT
> priorities safe against deadlocks.)
>
> multiple tasks can have different rlimits as well, and the scheduler
> interprets it the following way: it maintains a per-CPU "RT CPU use"
> load-average value and compares it against the per-task rlimit. If e.g.
> the task says "i'm in the 60% range" and the current average is 70%,
> then the scheduler delays this RT task - if the next task has an 80%
> rlimit then it will be allowed to run. This logic is straightforward and
> can be used as a further control mechanism against runaway highprio RT
> tasks.
>
> other properties of the RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit:
>
> - if there's idle time in the system then RT tasks will be
> allowed to use more than the limit.
>
> - if an RT task goes above the limit all the time then there
> is no guarantee that exactly the limit will be allowed for
> it. (i.e. you should set the limit to somewhat above the real
> needs of the RT task in question.)
>
> - a zero RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO value means unlimited CPU time to that
> RT task. If the task is not an RT task then it may not change to RT
> priority. (i.e. a zero value makes it fully compatible with previous
> RT scheduling semantics.)
>
> - a nonzero rt_cpu_limit value also has the effect of allowing
> the use of RT priorities to nonprivileged users.
>
> - on SMP the limit is measured and enforced per-CPU.
>
> - runtime overhead is minimal, especially if the limit is set to 0.
>
> - the CPU-use measurement code has a 'memory' of roughly 300 msecs.
> I.e. if an RT task runs 100 msecs nonstop then it will increase
> its CPU use by about 30%. This should be fast enough for users for
> the limit to be human-inperceptible, but slow enough to allow
> occasional longer timeslices to RT tasks.
As I understand this (and I may be wrong), the intention is that if a
task has its RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit set to a value greater than zero then
setting its scheduling policy to SCHED_RR or SCHED_FIFO is allowed.
This causes me to ask the following questions:
1. Why is current->signal->rlim[RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO].rlim_cur being used
in setscheduler() instead of p->signal->rlim[RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO].rlim_cur?
2. What stops a task that had a non zero RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit and changed
its policy to SCHED_RR or SCHED_FIFO from then setting RT_CPU_RATIO
rlimit back to zero and escaping the controls? As far as I can see
(and, once again, I may be wrong) the mechanism for setting rlimits only
requires CAP_SYS_RESOURCE privileges in order to increase the value.
Peter
--
Peter Williams pwil3058@bigpond.net.au
"Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious."
-- Ambrose Bierce
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-25 22:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-19 22:39 [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 0:16 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20 0:33 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 4:26 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20 5:55 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 17:54 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-01-20 20:27 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 0:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 1:32 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 2:06 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 2:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 4:07 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 4:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 5:05 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-20 5:59 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 6:35 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 15:19 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 15:42 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 16:47 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 17:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 0:09 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 16:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 21:23 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 2:06 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-23 2:58 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-24 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 9:55 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-24 10:29 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-24 10:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 12:58 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 14:01 ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
[not found] ` <87k6q2umla.fsf@sulphur.joq.us>
2005-01-25 6:28 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-25 14:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 8:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:36 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 21:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:55 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 21:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:03 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:16 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:44 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-01-26 5:12 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 7:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 11:02 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 13:56 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 14:06 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 22:18 ` Peter Williams [this message]
2005-01-25 22:26 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 10:08 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 14:22 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 16:18 ` [ck] " Cal
2005-01-26 16:29 ` Cal
2005-01-26 16:41 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 17:57 ` Cal
2005-01-26 18:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27 2:03 ` Cal
2005-01-27 8:51 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D8 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 12:48 ` Cal
2005-01-27 16:31 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-26 21:28 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Peter Williams
2005-01-26 21:44 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 9:20 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:03 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-01 10:11 ` [patch] sys_setpriority() euid semantics fix Ingo Molnar
2005-02-01 21:46 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 5:24 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 7:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 22:27 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 23:29 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27 2:31 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27 3:26 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27 5:15 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27 5:54 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 11:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 5:10 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 11:10 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 16:44 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 21:14 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:20 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 21:34 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 22:59 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 2:46 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 14:20 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 20:19 ` Con Kolivas
2005-02-03 20:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:15 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:41 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 22:24 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 22:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04 0:36 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-03 21:48 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-04 16:41 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-04 21:38 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 21:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 23:01 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-11 21:27 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 21:54 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 23:03 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-02 23:46 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 1:13 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 3:10 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 3:56 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04 0:35 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-04 17:21 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 2:54 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 3:25 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 16:01 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 18:59 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 19:31 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 20:01 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28 6:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 8:09 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28 8:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 8:35 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28 8:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 9:01 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28 9:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29 0:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28 9:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-28 22:16 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-28 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29 7:02 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-31 22:29 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-01 0:39 ` Bill Huey
2005-01-25 5:16 ` [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 15:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-23 20:48 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 22:57 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 1:06 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 1:09 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 4:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 4:53 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 6:28 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 6:35 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 6:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 22:58 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 3:55 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 13:05 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 14:38 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 18:36 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 20:52 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-24 21:46 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 7:38 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 7:41 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 6:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 20:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 21:59 ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-21 0:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 14:06 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 17:49 ` ross
2005-01-20 19:07 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-20 23:17 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 7:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07 3:09 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-07 3:27 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-07 3:27 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 9:06 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 17:09 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 19:32 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 9:18 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-21 16:23 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 16:40 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 0:06 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:18 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 6:19 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:48 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:50 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 7:09 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 20:22 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 1:02 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 3:02 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 4:29 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 4:46 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 4:50 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 7:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-23 13:57 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23 1:31 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 1:41 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23 1:56 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 4:50 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 23:30 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-21 23:48 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 0:28 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-22 3:52 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:15 ` Jack O'Quin
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