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From: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>,
	Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rlrevell@joe-job.com, CK Kernel <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	utz <utz@s2y4n2c.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	alexn@dsv.su.se, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:28:28 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F80B7C.40207@bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050126100846.GB8720@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Oops, after rereading the patch, a task that set its RT_CPU_RATIO
>>rlimit to zero wouldn't be escaping the mechanism at all.  It would be
>>suffering maximum throttling. [...]
> 
> 
> my intention was to let 'limit 0' mean 'old RT semantics' - i.e. 'no RT
> CPU time for unprivileged tasks at all', and only privileged tasks may
> do it and then they'll get full CPU time with no throttling.
> 
> so in that context your observation highlights another bug, which i
> fixed in the -D7 patch available from the usual place:
> 
>   http://redhat.com/~mingo/rt-limit-patches/
> 
> not doing the '0' exception would make it harder to introduce the rlimit
> in a compatible fashion. (My current thinking is that the default RT_CPU
> rlimit should be 0.)

I'd suggest making the default 100% and only allow non privileged users 
to set a real time policy if the tasks RT_CPU_RATIO is BELOW some 
(possibly configurable via sysfs or sysctl) limit.  This will have the 
desired effect that tasks given RT status via the normal means will be 
unaffected.

I'd also like to suggest that you change the units from parts per 
hundred (a.k.a. percent) to parts per thousand.  In addition to giving 
better control granularity this will be a better match to HZ on most 
systems giving better efficiency.

Peter
-- 
Peter Williams                                   pwil3058@bigpond.net.au

"Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious."
  -- Ambrose Bierce

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-27  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-19 22:39 [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:16 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  0:33   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:26     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  5:55       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 17:54   ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-01-20 20:27     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  1:32   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  2:06     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  2:45       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  4:07         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:57           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  5:05             ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-20  5:59             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  6:35               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 15:19                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 15:42                   ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 16:47                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 17:25                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22  0:09                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 16:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 21:23                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  2:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-23  2:58                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-24  8:59                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24  9:55                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-24 10:29                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-24 10:46                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 12:58                                 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:34                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:53                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 14:01                                     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
     [not found]                                   ` <87k6q2umla.fsf@sulphur.joq.us>
2005-01-25  6:28                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-25 14:12                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25  8:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:36                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 21:49                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:55                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 21:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:03                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:16                                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:44                                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-01-26  5:12                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:27                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 11:02                                               ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 13:56                                   ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 14:06                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 22:18                                     ` Peter Williams
2005-01-25 22:26                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 10:08                                         ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 14:22                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 16:18                                           ` [ck] " Cal
2005-01-26 16:29                                             ` Cal
2005-01-26 16:41                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 17:57                                               ` Cal
2005-01-26 18:57                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  2:03                                                   ` Cal
2005-01-27  8:51                                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D8 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 12:48                                                       ` Cal
2005-01-27 16:31                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-26 21:28                                           ` Peter Williams [this message]
2005-01-26 21:44                                           ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Peter Williams
2005-01-26  9:20                                       ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:03                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-01 10:11                                           ` [patch] sys_setpriority() euid semantics fix Ingo Molnar
2005-02-01 21:46                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  5:24                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 22:27                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 23:29                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  2:31                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  3:26                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  5:15                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  5:54                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  8:35                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27  8:59                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 11:35                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02  5:10                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 11:10                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 16:44                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 21:14                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:20                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:21                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 21:34                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 22:59                                                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03  2:46                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 14:20                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 20:19                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-02-03 20:47                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:15                                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:28                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:59                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 22:24                                                                                   ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 22:26                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:36                                                                           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-03 21:48                                                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-02-04 16:41                                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-04 21:38                                                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 23:01                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-11 21:27                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 21:54                                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 23:03                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-02 23:46                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  1:13                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  3:10                                                                 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  3:56                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 21:36                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:35                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-02-04 17:21                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  2:54                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03  3:25                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 11:37                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 16:01                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 18:59                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 19:31                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:29                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:45                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 20:01                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  6:38                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:09                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:08                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:35                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:40                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  9:01                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  9:11                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  0:44                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  9:51                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-28 22:16                                                   ` Peter Williams
2005-01-28 22:19                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  7:02                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-31 22:29                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-01  0:39                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-01-25  5:16                                 ` [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 15:09                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-23 20:48                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 22:57                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  1:06                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  1:09                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  4:45                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  4:53                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:28                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:35                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:57                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 22:58                                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25  3:55                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 13:05                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 14:38                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 18:36                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 20:52                                                       ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-24 21:46                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:38                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  7:41                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 20:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 21:59                       ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-21  0:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 14:06                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 17:49                     ` ross
2005-01-20 19:07                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-20 23:17                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21  7:48                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07  3:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-07  3:27                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-07  3:27                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  9:06             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 17:09               ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 19:32                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21  9:18                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-21 16:23                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 16:40                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  0:06                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:18                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  6:19                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:48                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:50                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  7:09                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 20:22                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  1:02                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  3:02                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:29                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:46                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:50                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:37                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-23 13:57                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:31                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  1:41                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:56                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:50                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 23:30 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-21 23:48   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  0:28     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-22  3:52       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:15         ` Jack O'Quin

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