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From: John Richard Moser <nigelenki@comcast.net>
To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input)
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Patch 4/6  randomize the stack pointer
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:55:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F93926.4090401@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0501271018510.2362@ppc970.osdl.org>

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Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>>Real engineering is about doing a good job balancing different issues.
> 
> 

[...]

> test. Maybe such a vendor understands that you have to ease into things, 
> and you can't just say "this is how it has to be done from now on".
> 

My idea of "Easing into things" is dropping the full model in the guy's
face and saying "Here, this is what we want to do.  It's there, you
don't have to use it, but you should be mindful because it's better and
in the future people will want it."  Then people will wait to turn it on
until everything is written to work with it--and every developer will
see it and know that that is there and that certain things need to be done.

You don't have to beat them with a crowbar until they listen, but you
have to show them what they're supposed to do.

> 			Linus
> 

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-27 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-27 10:11 Patch 0/6 virtual address space randomisation Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:12 ` Patch 1/6 introduce sysctl Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:36   ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-27 11:13     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 18:16   ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-27 19:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 19:46       ` Dave Jones
2005-01-27 19:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 19:53         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-04 21:27   ` Benoit Boissinot
2005-01-27 10:12 ` Patch 2/6 introduce helper infrastructure Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:41   ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-27 11:58     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 12:27       ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-27 12:43         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-01 21:14   ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-27 10:12 ` Patch 3/6 per process flag Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:13 ` Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 17:38   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 17:47     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 18:04       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 18:09         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 18:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 18:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 18:55             ` John Richard Moser [this message]
2005-01-27 18:49           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 19:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 19:48               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 19:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 20:04                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:08               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 19:19           ` linux-os
2005-01-27 19:52             ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 20:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:13               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 21:33                 ` jnf
2005-01-28 17:22                 ` Paulo Marques
2005-01-28 17:51                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-28 18:42                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  6:04                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 20:37               ` linux-os
2005-01-27 20:45                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 21:39           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 21:53             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 22:34               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29  2:50                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-29  6:31                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29  8:10                     ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                       ` <41FBB821.3000403@comcast.net>
2005-01-29 16:42                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-29 16:59                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 16:46                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-29 17:04                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 17:37                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-01-29 17:49                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 17:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-29 18:10                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 18:12                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-29 18:16                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-29  7:46           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 18:40         ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-27 22:31     ` Jirka Kosina
2005-01-28  5:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 19:02         ` David Lang
2005-01-28  7:33       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 19:43   ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-28  0:10     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-28  0:23       ` Roland Dreier
2005-01-28  1:06         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-28  2:03     ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-28  8:45       ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 20:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 20:27     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 20:35         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:40         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-27 20:42           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 20:56             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 21:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 10:13 ` Patch 5/6 randomize mmap addresses Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:14 ` Patch 6/6 default enable randomisation for -mm Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 11:45 ` Patch 0/6 virtual address space randomisation Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 11:57   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 17:42     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 19:34       ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 19:57         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 20:13         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-28  8:45           ` David Weinehall
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-31 10:55 Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer linux
2005-01-31 17:28 ` John Richard Moser

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