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From: "Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>,
	Joseph Pingenot <trelane@digitasaru.net>,
	Patrick Mochel <mochel@digitalimplant.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>
Subject: Re: Please open sysfs symbols to proprietary modules
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:55:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42079D8E.7020909@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <420791D7.3020408@nortel.com>

Chris Friesen wrote:
> Lee Revell wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 21:50 -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> It's not like somebody will have
>>> some innate commercial advantage over you because they have your
>>> driver source code.
>>
>>
>>
>> For a hardware vendor that's not a very compelling argument.  Especially
>> compared to what their IP lawyers are telling them.
>>
>> Got anything to back it up?
> 
> 
> I have a friend who works for a company that does reverse-engineering of 
> ICs.  Companies hire them to figure out how their competitor's chips 
> work.  This is the real threat to hardware manufacturers, not publishing 
> the chip specs.
> 
> Having driver code gives you the interface to the device.  That can be 
> reverse-engineered from watching bus traces or disassembling binary 
> drivers (which is how many linux drivers were originally written). 
> Companies have these kinds of resources.
> 
> If you look at the big chip manufacturers (TI, Maxim, Analog Devices, 
> etc.) they publish specs on everything.  It would be nice if others did 
> the same.

One of the arguments that I have heard is fairly old and debatable as
well.  This was the subject of a panel discussion at LWE in 2000 or
2001, chaired by journalist Nicholas Petreley.  The panel was composed
of vendors from (mostly) audio devices IIRC, but I'm not sure.

The bottom line summary was agreement that open-source drivers usually
expose how generation A of a device works, while the company is off
building generation B, and designing generation C.  So if another
company wants to clone generation A and be left in the dust when
their product is ready, let them.  They will usually lose.

-- 
~Randy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-07 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 22:56 Please open sysfs symbols to proprietary modules Pavel Roskin
2005-02-02 23:07 ` Greg KH
2005-02-02 23:23 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-02-02 23:29   ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  0:07     ` Pavel Roskin
2005-02-03  0:30       ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  4:54         ` Zan Lynx
2005-02-03  5:07           ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  8:59           ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-03 15:12           ` Alan Cox
2005-02-03 17:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-03 13:47         ` linux-os
2005-02-04 16:05       ` David Woodhouse
2005-02-03  0:09 ` Joseph Pingenot
2005-02-03  1:13   ` Pavel Roskin
2005-02-03  2:50     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-02-03  3:17       ` Jon Masters
2005-02-06  7:24       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-07 16:05         ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-07 16:55           ` linux-os
2005-02-07 18:58             ` jerome lacoste
2005-02-07 19:35               ` linux-os
2005-02-07 16:55           ` Randy.Dunlap [this message]
2005-02-08  1:40             ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-03  4:57     ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  8:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-03 21:00 ` Ben Greear
2005-02-04  9:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-04  9:40   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-15  1:41   ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-03  4:08 Jonathan A. George
2005-02-03  5:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-02-03 12:30 Jonathan A. George
2005-02-04 15:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-17 23:13 parker
2005-02-18  3:32 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-18 13:13 ` Arjan van de Ven

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