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From: James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Stelian Pop <stelian@popies.net>,
	Francois Romieu <romieu@fr.zoreil.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:47:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <420AF563.1030309@andrew.cmu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050208155845.GB14505@bitmover.com>

While I agree with your overall sentiment, please compare apples to 
apples regarding the license.  You said:

Larry McVoy wrote:
> I don't come here every month and ask for
> the GPL to be removed from some driver, that's essentially what you are
> doing and I think pretty much everyone is sick of it.

The GPL doesn't state that "You and anyone at your company are not 
allowed to work on any operating system software under any non-GPL 
license."  While that would be a perfectly valid license (just like the 
BK one), obviously it would generate a fairly steady stream of 
complaints.  It's not like people have stopped complaining about how the 
GPL forces them to release any code they link with it.  The boundary of 
a license will always create friction.  This will be especially true as 
in the BK license, which was expressly designed to be irritating to a 
certain class of people (who now whine about it).

A more directly relevant example would be the following: What if a new 
version of CVS had a license with a clause stating the following: "Any 
repository touched by CVS 1.2 may not be imported into into BK, unless 
you first remove all checkin comments.  This is because we don't help 
people who are competing with us."  Sure, that's a 100% legitimate 
license, and binding due to standard copyright goodness, yet I would 
expect BitMover people to complain about it.  What we have now is 
exactly the same thing in reverse.  Get used to the complaints because 
your license is achieving exactly what you meant it to do.

  - Jim

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-10  5:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 15:54 [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 16:15 ` Lethalman
2005-02-02 16:37   ` Lethalman
2005-02-03 10:34   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 21:47 ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-03 10:45   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:04     ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-04 20:52     ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-02-09  5:19       ` Kevin Puetz
2005-02-09  8:58         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09 13:44           ` David Roundy
2005-02-03  0:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 10:24   ` Stelian Pop
     [not found] ` <200502030028.j130SNU9004640@terminus.zytor.com>
2005-02-03  3:34   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 16:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 19:32     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 20:20       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 22:00         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 22:28           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 13:01             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 16:06               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 16:22                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-02-04 21:53                   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 17:03                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 18:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 20:05                     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:11                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 21:40                         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 23:31                           ` Francois Romieu
2005-02-05 19:38                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-05 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:43                                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 17:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 18:16                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 18:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  0:07                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-09  2:05                                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:24                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:35                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:39                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09  2:47                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:40                                                       ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091128070.7836@localhost.localdomain>
2005-02-09 17:38                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 18:24                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 18:48                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:31                                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09 23:52                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:22                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:13                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10 19:34                                                           ` d.c
2005-02-11  8:40                                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-09  2:40                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:57                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:03                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  5:48                                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-02-09  9:05                                                         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09  7:06                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-09 14:48                                       ` d.c
2005-02-09 15:51                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 17:30                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 17:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-10  5:44                                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-10  9:36                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10 21:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11  9:02                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-11 15:30                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 15:48                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:18                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:54                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 16:13                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-11 17:22                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 20:00                                                   ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                           ` <20050210222403.GA5920@thunk.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <or650z6syt.fsf@livre.redhat.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2005-02-11 15:53                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 17:24                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10  5:47                                     ` James Bruce [this message]
2005-02-06 16:40                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-06 17:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  1:45                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-07  2:10                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 14:57                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 15:19                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:24                           ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:47                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:36                           ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-08 15:58                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-08 16:15                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:17                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-08 17:23                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  2:16                       ` Al Viro
2005-02-04 10:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 10:59   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 11:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 11:20       ` Stelian Pop
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-09 18:46 Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 20:13 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 23:53   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  0:14     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:50       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  9:52         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10 10:11           ` linux
2005-02-10  6:08       ` James Bruce
2005-02-10 15:14         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-10 16:42 Steve Lee
2005-02-10 19:23 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-10 19:50   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-11 18:56 none given
2005-02-11 19:50 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.hd724f5.h36q2j@ifi.uio.no>
2011-08-18 19:08 ` lucasrangit
2011-08-18 19:22   ` Randy Dunlap

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