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From: Anthony DiSante <theant@nodivisions.com>
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Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: uninterruptible sleep lockups
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:24:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <421A4375.9040108@nodivisions.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200502211945.j1LJjgbZ029643@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
>>It seems like this problem is always going to exist, because some hardware 
>>and some drivers will always be buggy.  So shouldn't we have some sort of 
>>watchdog higher up in the kernel, that watches for hung processes like this 
>>and kills them?
> 
> And said watchdog would clean up the mess, how, exactly?  There's lots of sticky
> issues having to do with breaking locks and possibly still-pending I/O (I once had
> a tape drive complete an I/O 3 *days* after the request was sent - good thing no
> watchdog killed the process and deallocated the memory that I/O landed in ;)

I'm not a kernel programmer, so I don't have the answers to any of that.  I 
guess I was thinking that there'd be some way to distinguish between 
processes that are truly stuck -- that is, never coming back -- and 
processes like yours, that are taking a long time but still working.

Or maybe it SHOULD have killed your process, in some "proper" way that 
prevents any outstanding I/O requests from coming in days later and breaking 
things.  Again, I'm no kernel hacker, but if an I/O request takes *3 days*, 
isn't that an indication of a bug or of faulty hardware perhaps?

> It's been covered before, look in the lkml archives for details.

Thanks, I'll do that.  But could you give me a more specific pointer? 
Searching lkml for "uninterruptible" returns ~2000 results.

Thanks,
Anthony DiSante
http://nodivisions.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-21 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-21 19:18 uninterruptible sleep lockups Anthony DiSante
2005-02-21 19:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-21 20:24   ` Anthony DiSante [this message]
2005-02-21 20:54     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-21 22:18       ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-21 22:43         ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-22  0:06           ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-22  0:36             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-21 22:44       ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-21 23:11         ` Nish Aravamudan
     [not found]     ` <421B12DB.70603@aitel.hist.no>
2005-02-22 11:16       ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-22 12:26         ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-02-22 12:35           ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-22 13:47         ` linux-os
2005-02-22 20:03           ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-22 20:16             ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-22 20:29               ` Anthony DiSante
2005-02-22 20:24             ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-22 20:56               ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-22 21:40                 ` linux-os
2005-02-22 23:17                   ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-22 23:42                     ` linux-os
2005-02-23  0:25                       ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-23  1:05                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 10:04                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-02-22 21:31 ` Olaf Titz
2005-02-23 16:34   ` Nish Aravamudan
     [not found] <fa.duv6ag6.p5mth0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.irk349q.1c3si2o@ifi.uio.no>
2005-02-23  0:59   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-02-23 13:50     ` linux-os
2005-02-24  2:05       ` Bodo Eggert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-23 16:55 Parag Warudkar

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