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From: Kaigai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
To: Jay Lan <jlan@sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	guillaume.thouvenin@bull.net, tim@physik3.uni-rostock.de,
	erikj@subway.americas.sgi.com, limin@dbear.engr.sgi.com,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] Re: A common layer for Accounting packages
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:07:37 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <421EB299.4010906@ak.jp.nec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <421CEC38.7010008@sgi.com>

Sorry for this late reply.

 >> [1] Is it necessary 'fork/exec/exit' event handling framework ?
    ...<ommited>...
 >> Some process-aggregation model have own philosophy and implemantation,
 >> so it's hard to integrate. Thus, I think that common 'fork/exec/exit'
 >> event handling
 >> framework to implement any kinds of process-aggregation.
 >
 >
 > BSD needs an exit hook and ELSA needs a fork hook. I am still
 > evaluating whether CSA can use the ELSA module. If CSA can use the
 > ELSA module, CSA maybe would be fine with the fork hook.

If CSA can use an ELSA module, then we must modify the kernel-tree
for ELSA's fork-connecter. This means it's hard to implement the fork/exec/exit
event notification to userspace (,or any kernel module) without kernel-support.
How CSA shoule be implemented is interesting and important, but should it be
main subject in this discussion that such a kinds of kernel hook is necessary
to implement process-accounting per process-aggregation reasonable ?

In my understanding, what Andrew Morton said is "If target functionality can
implement in user space only, then we should not modify the kernel-tree".
But, any kind of kernel support was required to handle process lifecycle events
for the accounting per process-aggregation and so on, from our discussion.

I'm also opposed to an adhoc approach, like CSA depending on ELSA.
We should walk hight road.

Thanks,
-- 
Linux Promotion Center, NEC
KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-25  5:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-19  0:51 A common layer for Accounting packages Jay Lan
2005-02-19  1:16 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-21  6:51   ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-02-22 20:11     ` [Lse-tech] " Jay Lan
2005-02-23  7:30       ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-02-21  7:54   ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-02-22 20:26     ` Jay Lan
2005-02-23  7:07       ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-02-23  7:20         ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-23  8:33           ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-02-23  8:51             ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-23  9:30               ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-02-23  9:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-23 19:11             ` Jay Lan
2005-02-24  7:42               ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-02-23  9:50           ` Tim Schmielau
2005-02-24 22:27             ` Jay Lan
2005-02-23 11:29           ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-02-23 20:48         ` Jay Lan
2005-02-25  5:07           ` Kaigai Kohei [this message]
2005-02-25  5:28             ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-25 17:32               ` Jay Lan
2005-02-25 17:45                 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-25 18:11                   ` Jay Lan
2005-02-25 21:30                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-25 22:18                   ` Jay Lan
2005-02-27  9:49               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-02-27 15:20                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2005-02-27 14:03                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-02-27 19:27                     ` David S. Miller
2005-02-28  1:59                     ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-02-28  2:32                       ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-28  5:17                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-02-28  7:20                       ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-02-28  7:39                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-28  8:04                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-02-28 12:10                           ` jamal
2005-02-28  9:29                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-02-28 13:20                             ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-28 13:40                               ` jamal
2005-02-28 13:53                                 ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-28  9:52                                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-02-28 14:10                                   ` jamal
2005-02-28 14:25                                     ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-28 15:31                                       ` jamal
2005-02-28 16:17                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-01  8:21                                           ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-01 13:38                                             ` Kaigai Kohei
2005-03-01 13:53                                               ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-01 14:17                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-02  4:50                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-02  8:58                                               ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-02  9:06                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-02  9:25                                                   ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-02 15:30                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-01 20:40                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-24  1:25         ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-24  1:56           ` Jay Lan
2005-02-24  2:07             ` Paul Jackson

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