From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:52:21 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42276AF5.3080603@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0503031135190.25732@ppc970.osdl.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>
>>It still does not solve the problem of "untested" releases. Users will
>>still ignore the linus-tree-rcX kernels.
>
>
> .. and maybe that problem is unsolvable. People certainly argued
> vehemently that anything we do to try to make test releases (renaming etc)
> won't help.
>
> So what do you do if you find an unsolvable problem? You don't solve it:
> you make sure it's not a show-stopper.
I disagree it's unsolvable:
1) At some point in the -rc cycle, you put your foot down and say
"nothing but bugfixes."
2) Indicate this foot-stomp in a manner that a script can easily notice.
That's all the 2.4.x's -pre/-rc accomplishes. It encourages people to
test, by telling them when their testing would be most useful.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-03 20:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 368+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-02 22:21 RFD: Kernel release numbering Linus Torvalds
2005-03-02 22:53 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-02 23:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-02 23:28 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-02 23:38 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-03 2:09 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-03 0:20 ` Wakko Warner
2005-03-03 5:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-02 22:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-02 22:58 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-02 23:23 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 14:31 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-02 23:44 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-03 2:14 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-04 18:25 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-02 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 0:32 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 22:22 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-02 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-02 23:20 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-02 23:04 ` Greg KH
2005-03-02 23:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-02 23:55 ` Greg KH
2005-03-02 23:04 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-02 23:06 ` Russell King
2005-03-02 23:22 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-02 23:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 0:20 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 1:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 2:21 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-03 10:29 ` Prakash Punnoor
2005-03-03 11:08 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-03-03 16:20 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-03 6:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 8:19 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 8:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 9:01 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 10:26 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-03 10:45 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 10:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 14:08 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-03 16:19 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 19:41 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 21:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-03 11:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 11:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-03 17:07 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-03-03 19:33 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 20:38 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-03-03 21:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 22:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-06 7:53 ` Andres Salomon
2005-03-06 8:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-06 23:12 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-09 12:34 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-03 0:27 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 3:10 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 3:47 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 4:03 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 10:26 ` Erik Hensema
2005-03-03 16:28 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-04 10:40 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:32 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-03-04 14:12 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-04 19:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-03-06 0:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 12:52 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-03 4:38 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 5:21 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 5:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 16:36 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-03 20:43 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-04 11:06 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 13:04 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-03 21:49 ` John Cherry
2005-03-03 21:52 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 22:02 ` John Cherry
2005-03-08 23:25 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-08 23:39 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 23:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 23:50 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-09 18:03 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 10:52 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:11 ` Ian Campbell
2005-03-04 11:16 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:32 ` Ian Campbell
2005-03-05 12:26 ` David Weinehall
2005-03-04 11:26 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 11:36 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:44 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 11:54 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 12:40 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 13:25 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 17:33 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 18:11 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 18:32 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-03-05 17:49 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 19:35 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 22:27 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 22:48 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 23:04 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 16:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-06 22:58 ` Russell King
2005-05-06 23:18 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-07 10:51 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-07 11:26 ` Russell King
2005-05-07 13:20 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-07 14:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-07 14:41 ` select of non-existing I2C* symbols Adrian Bunk
2005-05-08 18:20 ` [kbuild-devel] " Sam Ravnborg
2005-05-08 18:28 ` Russell King
2005-05-11 22:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-11 14:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-05-11 22:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 3:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-05-07 14:45 ` frv, v850: no defconfig's Adrian Bunk
2005-05-07 15:01 ` [-mm patch] fix typo in arch/h8300/Kconfig.cpu Adrian Bunk
2005-03-08 15:12 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Ralf Baechle
2005-03-03 0:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-02 23:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-02 23:10 ` Josh Boyer
2005-03-02 23:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 8:59 ` Matthew Frost
2005-03-03 14:15 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-03-02 23:18 ` Mark Gross
2005-03-02 23:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:23 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 0:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:58 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 1:11 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 1:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 1:27 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 14:58 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-03-03 19:55 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 21:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 21:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 21:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:39 ` Bill Nottingham
2005-03-04 9:16 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-03-03 22:24 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 1:59 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 3:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-03 14:54 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-03 23:39 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-06 22:43 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-06 22:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 2:13 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 1:15 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-03 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 2:14 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-03 3:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 4:51 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 3:23 ` Andrew James Wade
2005-03-04 8:02 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-03-03 2:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 3:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 3:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:02 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 4:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 5:08 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-03 5:33 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 7:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 8:04 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 8:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 8:58 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 9:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 9:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 16:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 16:43 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-03-03 17:06 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:04 ` Eric Gaumer
2005-03-03 17:19 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-03 16:59 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 23:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 0:19 ` CaT
2005-03-04 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 1:44 ` IDE locking (was: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering) CaT
2005-03-04 4:33 ` CaT
2005-03-04 10:48 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 17:50 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 17:03 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-03 17:07 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 18:02 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 19:35 ` Sean
2005-03-03 20:27 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 23:34 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-03 20:26 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 17:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-03 17:12 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-03-03 20:04 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 20:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:42 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 9:43 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 19:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 8:44 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 17:52 ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-03-03 18:09 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 18:11 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 23:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-04 0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 2:57 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-04 5:30 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 5:50 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-04 7:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 8:11 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 8:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 8:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 9:16 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-04 9:21 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 17:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 19:07 ` Steven Cole
2005-03-05 0:14 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-04 18:35 ` William Park
2005-03-04 18:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 18:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-03-04 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 21:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-03-04 18:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 19:20 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-04 20:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 22:29 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 22:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-06 12:57 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-04 21:48 ` David Lang
2005-03-04 9:24 ` Nick Piggin
2005-03-04 9:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 10:45 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 4:26 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-04 0:01 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 2:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 2:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 3:04 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 5:34 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 10:59 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 11:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 12:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 13:05 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:38 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 18:59 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-04 19:14 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 20:00 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-04 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 19:21 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 18:33 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 18:50 ` Charles Cazabon
2005-03-06 7:29 ` Andres Salomon
2005-03-03 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 21:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:24 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 21:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:53 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 22:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:38 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 22:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 18:42 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 21:56 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 22:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 12:43 ` Paulo Marques
2005-03-05 6:50 ` James Bourne
2005-03-08 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-03 8:28 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-03-03 8:53 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:06 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 9:42 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 9:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-03 10:03 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 10:43 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 17:46 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 15:58 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-03 6:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 9:06 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 4:05 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-03 4:21 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-03 11:40 ` Thomas Molina
2005-03-03 6:55 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 9:12 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 9:47 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 10:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 13:23 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-05 10:13 ` John Alvord
2005-03-05 10:49 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 10:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-03-03 11:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 11:48 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-03-03 17:59 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 11:27 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-03 16:00 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-03 13:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-03-03 16:44 ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-03 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:20 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering - an orthogonal solution David Greaves
2005-03-03 20:36 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Horst von Brand
2005-03-03 23:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 1:52 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-13 11:11 ` Jan Rychter
2005-03-03 2:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 3:03 ` Ben Greear
2005-03-03 4:05 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 15:08 ` Thomas Graf
2005-03-03 5:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-03 1:23 ` Nick Piggin
2005-03-03 1:39 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 1:56 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-02 23:52 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-03 15:00 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-03-03 0:06 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-03 0:11 ` RFD: " Neil Brown
2005-03-03 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 1:27 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 2:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 2:41 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 0:17 ` workflow (was Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering) Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 1:04 ` Kernel release numbering Massimo Cetra
2005-03-03 1:34 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2005-03-03 1:35 ` Ben Greear
2005-03-03 13:52 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-03 14:19 ` Massimo Cetra
2005-03-03 2:24 ` RFD: " Paul Jackson
2005-03-03 3:46 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-03-03 4:10 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-03 9:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-03 10:38 ` Bernhard Schauer
2005-03-03 11:22 ` Helge Hafting
2005-03-03 16:01 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 17:37 ` Paul Dickson
2005-03-03 22:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 22:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-04 8:35 ` David Lang
2005-03-04 4:36 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-04 14:29 ` Adam
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-04 16:29 Indrek Kruusa
2005-03-08 22:45 szonyi calin
2005-03-08 23:36 szonyi calin
2005-03-09 15:48 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-09 20:19 szonyi calin
2005-03-22 9:00 viking
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