From: David Greaves <david@dgreaves.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
Andrew James Wade
<ajwade@cpe0020e06a7211-cm0011ae8cd564.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:45:59 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42283C67.4060302@dgreaves.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050304005450.05a2bd0c.akpm@osdl.org>
>-rc just means "please start testing", not "deploy me on your corporate
>database server".
>
>
Does it? Where on www.kernel.org does it say that?
Since people's trust was lost (a bit) when the -rc convention was
"embraced and extended", it seems like it would be a good idea to
_explicitly publish_ (and promote) the definitions (when they are agreed).
I am assuming that the problem is still essentially:
"We need more testers"
And that one objective of this discussion is actually to clarify how the
numbering scheme presents the risks and rewards associated with running
a particular kernel? (yes, you're also sorting out development workflow
but that's another issue)
Since the "show us the code" principle applies, I'm trying to draft some
text that I propose linking to from a prominent place on www.kernel.org
(yes it may be hosted elsewhere)
My gut-feel working title was : "Our Promises To The Linux Kernel
Community" - but I think that's going to be wrong :)
Here's the very very draft text - I've barely proof read it and I've not
researched the process so I know it's not expressed well.
It's the kind of thing I'd want to read to assess which kernels to test
- hell, right now it's not even obvious if you _want_ me to test them.
--------------------------------------
Background
The 'vanilla' linux kernel produced by Linus et al isn't for everyone.
Many, indeed most, users should be using the kernel that comes with
their distribution (Debian, Fedora etc)
However, if _everyone_ did that then no-one would find the problems with
the kernel - the 'many eyes' part of the FOSS community is essential -
and you can be an active part of it!
This document aims to describe how people of different skill and
experience levels can help.
Be warned - it can be hard work - but that's what makes it worthwhile.
The Problem
The kernel developers let you grab hold of a kernel tree at any time -
which one should you use?
The key to all this is in the numbering; it indicates what stage of
development that particular version of the kernel is at now.
Broadly the way it works is this(?):
* Developers send code and fixes to maintainers who have their own tree
* Maintainers keep an eye on the code quality and send it through to
Linus when they think it's ready
* Linus holds the main, stable(ish) tree
* Distributions take a stable-ish tree and may apply their own changes
and back-port bugs to try and get a very stable tree
Kernel Numbering
The kernel numbering usually looks like: 2.6.10; The X.Y.Z should be
read as:
* X and Y indicate the main and sub versions of the kernel - probably
'2.6' for quite a while yet.
* The Z indicates incremental 'releases' that the kernel community
(Linus) think are OK to use in most 'production' environments.
But the beauty (and complexity) of the linux kernel is that you get to
see it whilst it's putting its make-up on!!
Applying the Make-up - Developer Kernels
There are lots of developers who have their own 'bk' trees of the kernel
that have changes applied from minute to minute.
Eventually the changes in these trees settle down a bit and elements of
the trees are pulled into a major maintainers tree (eg -mm, Andrew
Morton's tree - more later)
Finally they're pulled into Linus' tree.
-pre Kernels
After a bit Linus feels that there have been quite a few changes and
decides to get everyone back on the same page so he releases 2.6.x-pre1.
This is a developers release.
It won't be announced on linux-kernel-announce.
It will have bugs but it should compile cleanly and shouldn't corrupt
your data (unless noted). It's very useful if you're helping to test
some new hardware or feature and you don't mind if the machine crashes
(maybe a lot - and maybe kills your data too!).
The cycle repeats through -pre2, -pre3 etc until Linus feels that it's
time to think about a new proper release. During these cycles,
developers can add new features and things that used to work may break.
So he takes the last -preN release and re-releases it as -rc1 ... a
Release Candidate.
-rc Kernels
At this point he's saying that he'd _like_ to release it so it won't
corrupt your data and the developers can't find any obvious bugs (unless
noted) but there *will* be some 'cos it's not been tested on every
machine on the planet!
This is a testing release.
It will be announced on linux-kernel-announce.
You should be able to run it on normal hardware without crashes or any
other problems. But you're part of the test team so there is a risk.
This cycle repeats through -rc2, -rc3 etc. During these cycles, _NO_ new
features will be added. Only bugs will be fixed and it should be very
rare for something that worked in -rcX to fail in -rcX+1.
When the bug reports stop appearing it's time for a release.
Linus will take the last -rcN and re-release it as 2.6.x (possibly with
some errata of known bugs)
2.6.x.y Kernels
But it doesn't stop there :)
There may still be unknown bugs because no-one's tested a particular
combination of components that triggers them.
So if a fix for a simple bug is discovered a group of people will review
it and, if it's deemed to be very safe they will apply it to the 2.6.x
and release 2.6.x.1 (or patches or whatever - yet to be agreed AFAICS)
It will be announced on linux-kernel-announce.
Wait, There's More...
Remember about the maintainers kernels? -mm and the like?
Well there's a list of them <here - where?> which explains how to get
them and what their 'manifesto' is.
For the more sophisticated of you out there it may be worth trying out
the -mm kernel (or a friend); they follows the same basic lines as
Linus' - (in a sense they're based on them - but they are the leading
edge of the linux kernel and have extra features and performance
tweaks). They are often more experimental (and risky) than Linus' kernel
though some strive to be more stable - read the manifesto to find out more.
They will be announced on their own lists (see manifesto)
So What To Do?
Join in - run the latest kernel and report back bugs - the kernel
community _do_ want your help.
Just make sure you understand the risks and protect yourself appropriately.
To be continued... (mention kernelnewbies or other links, automating the
process, ketchup etc - thanks Horst, Jan Dittmer, Andrew James Wade)
David
PS To be clear, I'm contributing this text in case anyone feels they can
use it in any way.
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2005-03-02 22:21 RFD: Kernel release numbering Linus Torvalds
2005-03-02 22:53 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-02 23:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-02 23:28 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-02 23:38 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-03 2:09 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-03 0:20 ` Wakko Warner
2005-03-03 5:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-02 22:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-02 22:58 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-02 23:23 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 14:31 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-02 23:44 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-03 2:14 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-04 18:25 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-02 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 0:32 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 22:22 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-02 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-02 23:20 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-02 23:04 ` Greg KH
2005-03-02 23:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-02 23:55 ` Greg KH
2005-03-02 23:04 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-02 23:06 ` Russell King
2005-03-02 23:22 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-02 23:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 0:20 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 1:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 2:21 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-03 10:29 ` Prakash Punnoor
2005-03-03 11:08 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-03-03 16:20 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-03 6:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 8:19 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 8:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 9:01 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 10:26 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-03 10:45 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 10:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 14:08 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-03 16:19 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 19:41 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 21:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-03 11:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 11:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-03 17:07 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-03-03 19:33 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 20:38 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-03-03 21:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 22:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-06 7:53 ` Andres Salomon
2005-03-06 8:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-06 23:12 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-09 12:34 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-03 0:27 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 3:10 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 3:47 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 4:03 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 10:26 ` Erik Hensema
2005-03-03 16:28 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-04 10:40 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:32 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-03-04 14:12 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-04 19:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-03-06 0:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 12:52 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-03 4:38 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 5:21 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 5:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 16:36 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-03 20:43 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-04 11:06 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 13:04 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-03 21:49 ` John Cherry
2005-03-03 21:52 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 22:02 ` John Cherry
2005-03-08 23:25 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-08 23:39 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 23:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 23:50 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-09 18:03 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 10:52 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:11 ` Ian Campbell
2005-03-04 11:16 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:32 ` Ian Campbell
2005-03-05 12:26 ` David Weinehall
2005-03-04 11:26 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 11:36 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:44 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 11:54 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 12:40 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 13:25 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 17:33 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 18:11 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 18:32 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-03-05 17:49 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 19:35 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 22:27 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 22:48 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 23:04 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 16:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-06 22:58 ` Russell King
2005-05-06 23:18 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-07 10:51 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-07 11:26 ` Russell King
2005-05-07 13:20 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-07 14:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-07 14:41 ` select of non-existing I2C* symbols Adrian Bunk
2005-05-08 18:20 ` [kbuild-devel] " Sam Ravnborg
2005-05-08 18:28 ` Russell King
2005-05-11 22:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-11 14:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-05-11 22:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 3:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-05-07 14:45 ` frv, v850: no defconfig's Adrian Bunk
2005-05-07 15:01 ` [-mm patch] fix typo in arch/h8300/Kconfig.cpu Adrian Bunk
2005-03-08 15:12 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Ralf Baechle
2005-03-03 0:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-02 23:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-02 23:10 ` Josh Boyer
2005-03-02 23:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 8:59 ` Matthew Frost
2005-03-03 14:15 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-03-02 23:18 ` Mark Gross
2005-03-02 23:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:23 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 0:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:58 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 1:11 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 1:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 1:27 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 14:58 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-03-03 19:55 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 21:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 21:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 21:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:39 ` Bill Nottingham
2005-03-04 9:16 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-03-03 22:24 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 1:59 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 3:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-03 14:54 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-03 23:39 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-06 22:43 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-06 22:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 2:13 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 1:15 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-03 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 2:14 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-03 3:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 4:51 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 3:23 ` Andrew James Wade
2005-03-04 8:02 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-03-03 2:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 3:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 3:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:02 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 4:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 5:08 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-03 5:33 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 7:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 8:04 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 8:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 8:58 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 9:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 9:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 16:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 16:43 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-03-03 17:06 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:04 ` Eric Gaumer
2005-03-03 17:19 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-03 16:59 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 23:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 0:19 ` CaT
2005-03-04 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 1:44 ` IDE locking (was: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering) CaT
2005-03-04 4:33 ` CaT
2005-03-04 10:48 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 17:50 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 17:03 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-03 17:07 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 18:02 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 19:35 ` Sean
2005-03-03 20:27 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 23:34 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-03 20:26 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 17:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-03 17:12 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:04 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 20:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:42 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 9:43 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 19:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 8:44 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 17:52 ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-03-03 18:09 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 18:11 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 23:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-04 0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 2:57 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-04 5:30 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 5:50 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-04 7:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 8:11 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 8:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 8:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 9:16 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-04 9:21 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 17:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 19:07 ` Steven Cole
2005-03-05 0:14 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-04 18:35 ` William Park
2005-03-04 18:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 18:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-03-04 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 21:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-03-04 18:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 19:20 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-04 20:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 22:29 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 22:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-06 12:57 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-04 21:48 ` David Lang
2005-03-04 9:24 ` Nick Piggin
2005-03-04 9:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 10:45 ` David Greaves [this message]
2005-03-04 4:26 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-04 0:01 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 2:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 2:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 3:04 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 5:34 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 10:59 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 11:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 12:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 13:05 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:38 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 18:59 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-04 19:14 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 20:00 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-04 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 19:21 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 18:33 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 18:50 ` Charles Cazabon
2005-03-06 7:29 ` Andres Salomon
2005-03-03 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 21:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:24 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 21:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:53 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 22:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:38 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 22:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 18:42 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 21:56 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 22:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 12:43 ` Paulo Marques
2005-03-05 6:50 ` James Bourne
2005-03-08 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-03 8:28 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-03-03 8:53 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:06 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 9:42 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 9:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-03 10:03 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 10:43 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 17:46 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 15:58 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-03 6:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 9:06 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 4:05 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-03 4:21 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-03 11:40 ` Thomas Molina
2005-03-03 6:55 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 9:12 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 9:47 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 10:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 13:23 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-05 10:13 ` John Alvord
2005-03-05 10:49 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 10:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-03-03 11:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 11:48 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-03-03 17:59 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 11:27 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-03 16:00 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-03 13:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-03-03 16:44 ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-03 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:20 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering - an orthogonal solution David Greaves
2005-03-03 20:36 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Horst von Brand
2005-03-03 23:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 1:52 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-13 11:11 ` Jan Rychter
2005-03-03 2:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 3:03 ` Ben Greear
2005-03-03 4:05 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 15:08 ` Thomas Graf
2005-03-03 5:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-03 1:23 ` Nick Piggin
2005-03-03 1:39 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 1:56 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-02 23:52 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-03 15:00 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-03-03 0:06 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-03 0:11 ` RFD: " Neil Brown
2005-03-03 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 1:27 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 2:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 2:41 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 0:17 ` workflow (was Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering) Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 1:04 ` Kernel release numbering Massimo Cetra
2005-03-03 1:34 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2005-03-03 1:35 ` Ben Greear
2005-03-03 13:52 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-03 14:19 ` Massimo Cetra
2005-03-03 2:24 ` RFD: " Paul Jackson
2005-03-03 3:46 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-03-03 4:10 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-03 9:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-03 10:38 ` Bernhard Schauer
2005-03-03 11:22 ` Helge Hafting
2005-03-03 16:01 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 17:37 ` Paul Dickson
2005-03-03 22:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 22:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-04 8:35 ` David Lang
2005-03-04 4:36 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-04 14:29 ` Adam
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-04 16:29 Indrek Kruusa
2005-03-08 22:45 szonyi calin
2005-03-08 23:36 szonyi calin
2005-03-09 15:48 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-09 20:19 szonyi calin
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