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From: Rene Scharfe <rene.scharfe@lsrfire.ath.cx>
To: Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk, pj@engr.sgi.com,
	7eggert@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] Make /proc/<pid> chmod'able
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:42:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42355C78.1020307@lsrfire.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1110771251.1967.84.camel@cube>

Albert Cahalan wrote:
> This is a bad idea. Users should not be allowed to
> make this decision. This is rightly a decision for
> the admin to make.

Why do you think users should not be allowed to chmod their processes' 
/proc directories?  Isn't it similar to being able to chmod their home 
directories?  They own both objects, after all (both conceptually and as 
attributed in the filesystem).

> Note: I'm the procps (ps, top, w, etc.) maintainer.
> 
> Probably I'd have to make /bin/ps run setuid root
> to deal with this. (minor changes needed) The same
> goes for /usr/bin/top, which I know is currently
> unsafe and difficult to fix.
> 
> Let's not go there, OK?

I have to admit to not having done any real testing with those 
utilities.  My excuse is this isn't such a new feature, Openwall had 
something similar for at least four years now and GrSecurity contains 
yet another flavour of it.  Openwall also provides one patch for 
procps-2.0.6, so I figured that problem (whatever their patch is about) 
got fixed in later versions.

Why do ps and top need to be setuid root to deal with a resticted /proc? 
    What information in /proc/<pid> needs to be available to any and all 
users?

> If you restricted this new ability to root, then I'd
> have much less of an objection. (not that I'd like it)

How about a boot parameter or sysctl to enable the chmod'ability of 
/proc/<pid>, defaulting to off?  But I'd like to resolve your more 
general objections above first, if possible. :)

Thanks for your comments,
Rene

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-14  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-14  3:34 [PATCH][RFC] Make /proc/<pid> chmod'able Albert Cahalan
2005-03-14  9:42 ` Rene Scharfe [this message]
2005-03-14 16:13   ` Albert Cahalan
2005-03-14 23:08     ` Bodo Eggert
2005-03-15  2:44       ` Albert Cahalan
2005-03-15 10:51         ` Jonathan Sambrook
2005-03-15 14:31         ` Bodo Eggert
2005-03-15 15:29           ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-15 15:58           ` Albert Cahalan
2005-03-15 21:06             ` Bodo Eggert
2005-03-15 21:18         ` Rene Scharfe
2005-03-16  0:21           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-15 15:27     ` Rene Scharfe
2005-03-14 16:37   ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-16  2:39 ` [PATCH][RFC] /proc umask and gid [was: Make /proc/<pid> chmod'able] Rene Scharfe
2005-03-16  4:31   ` Albert Cahalan
2005-03-16  4:41   ` Albert Cahalan
2005-03-19  1:51     ` Rene Scharfe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-13 23:32 [PATCH][RFC] Make /proc/<pid> chmod'able Rene Scharfe

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