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From: Humberto Massa <humberto.massa@almg.gov.br>
To: linux-os@analogic.com, debian-kernel@lists.debian.org,
	debian-legal@lists.debian.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acenic@sunsite.dk
Subject: Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:30:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42554407.4010200@almg.gov.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vVUko.A.NkD.kNTVCB@murphy>

Richard B. Johnson wrote:

>  Well it doesn't make any difference. If GPL has degenerated to where
>  one can't upload microcode to a device as part of its initialization,
>  without having the "source" that generated that microcode, we are in
>  a lot of hurt. Intel isn't going to give their designs away.

I don't recall anyone asking Intel to give theirs designs away. This 
thread is about:

1. (mainly) some firmware hexdumps present in the kernel source tree are 
either expicitly marked as being GPL'd or unmarked, in which case one 
would assume that they would be GPL'd;

1a. this means that those firmware hexdumps are not legally 
distributable by any person besides the firmware copyright holder, 
because any other person could not comply with the terms of the Section 
3 of the GPL (IOW, a third party cannot give you a source code they 
don't have);

1b. [1a], for its turn, means that the current pristine kernel tree is 
not legally distributable and that any distributor is an easy prey for 
lawyer attacks.

2. (collaterally) some firmware hexdumps present in the kernel source 
tree are marked with "(C) Holder All Rights Reserved";

2a. copyright law FORBIDS anyone to distribute such pieces of 
information without proper authorization.

3. (corolary) for each of the problematic hexdumps, the following steps 
should be taken:

3a. the copyright holder should be asked for the source code to the 
firmware -- if they do this, it would be great for a lot of Free 
Software reasons;

3b. if the copyright holder declines, it should be asked for a license 
to freely redistribute the firmware; and

3c. if the copyright holder declines, the firmware *must* be yanked from 
the pristine kernel tree;

3d. furthermore, all of this *should* be properly documented, IMHO, both 
in a centralized file, and in the file where the firmware hexdump appears.


>  Last time I checked, GPL was about SOFTware, not FIRMware, and not
>  MICROcode. If somebody has decided to rename FIRMware to SOFTware,
>  then they need to complete the task and call it DORKware, named after
>  themselves.

Last time I checked, the GPL was a COPYRIGHT LICENSE and, as such, not 
"about" anything in particular. Yes, it was idealized to be used for the 
licensing of computer programs and libraries. OTOH, many works of many 
other kinds (music, literary works, etc) were licensed under the GPL.

>  This whole thread and gotten truly bizarre.

Nah, it has a good reason to exist... With the passing of time, Debian, 
that is supposed to be a Free Software OS, is depending more and more of 
non-Free components. And yes, as it is today, the pristine kernel tree 
is non-free.

Regards,
Massa


       reply	other threads:[~2005-04-07 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <vVUko.A.NkD.kNTVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 14:30 ` Humberto Massa [this message]
2005-04-07 14:53   ` non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice Oliver Neukum
2005-04-07 15:01     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 15:07       ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found] <9rcYQC.A.LsH.E_qXCB@murphy>
2005-04-14 18:26 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <JMgucB.A.0PB.b3cXCB@murphy>
2005-04-14 12:18 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 17:44   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 18:43     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <_WpYEC.A.JPD.F9BXCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 20:23 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14  1:37   ` David Schwartz
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2005-04-12 17:29 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <d03KdB.A.m0F.3RtWCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-12 19:01   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:31     ` Raul Miller
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     [not found] ` <3ScVq-4N8-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-04-12  9:41   ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-04-12 16:44     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 17:50       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 19:05         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:37           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-14  1:54             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14  5:13               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 18:53       ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 19:15         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 20:00           ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 22:45             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-13  5:46               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  6:28                 ` Sean Kellogg
2005-04-13 13:55                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  9:17               ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-11 16:12 Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 16:25 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-11 20:54   ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 21:07     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12  0:40       ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12  5:40         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 16:14           ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 18:45             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-13  2:23               ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-13 14:53               ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-13 19:47                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-14 18:03                   ` Marco Colombo
     [not found] <dpBgeB.A.8M.o1nWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 13:44 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <Tx9naC.A.vTD.H5YWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:54 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 13:36   ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 19:31   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 19:46     ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 20:29     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <zJc_PD.A.R_C.UFRWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:51 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <VrRWRB.A.IlC.3y-VCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <sSO4cD.A.ELC.VTdVCB@murphy>
2005-04-08 12:08 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 12:20   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
     [not found] <L0f93D.A.68G.D2OVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:29 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 13:03   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-07 13:30     ` John Stoffel
2005-04-07 13:34     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-04-07 14:15     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08  8:06       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  9:46   ` Ralph Corderoy
     [not found] <08Gc5.A.AFC.QJPVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:15 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08  2:10   ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  3:05     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:56       ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  7:57         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 20:48         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-09 11:19           ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-10  3:07             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-10  4:20               ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-10 20:18                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11  1:34                   ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-11  2:40                     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 20:17                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-11 11:43                 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2005-04-11  0:26               ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-11  2:40                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  4:05       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:54     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:51   ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <t1ufbC.A.C6H.38tUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 19:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-06 20:36   ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <UwJpRC.A.8E.5erUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 16:53 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <lLj-vC.A.92G.w4pUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 15:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 15:50   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 17:53     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:17       ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 18:34         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:50       ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-05 18:56         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  0:10           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-06  7:34             ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  7:46               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:47         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 19:28       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 19:40         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 19:50           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 20:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 20:16         ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-05 20:41           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 21:13             ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-06  9:04         ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-06 20:15         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-08  7:44     ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <ea-O2D.A.6pD.MWoUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 14:37 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <h-GOHD.A.KL.s2aUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 12:03 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 12:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 14:02     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 17:30       ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-05 13:57   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 14:53     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 20:56     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-07 21:05       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  0:31         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  6:54           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 17:20             ` Adrian Bunk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-04 10:09 Sven Luther
2005-04-04 10:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-04 10:59   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  7:17     ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 11:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 13:26 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-04 14:16   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 17:51     ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 18:21       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:12         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-04 19:24           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:36           ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 18:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:17         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:29           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:58             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 20:23               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 21:16                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:55             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-04 21:19               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:19                 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  8:32                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:49                     ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:32                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:36                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:39                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 10:42                                 ` Andres Salomon
2005-04-05  9:46                               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 12:09                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 12:14                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-06 19:22                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07  9:34                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 10:28                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-07 11:27                             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 11:46                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07 18:42                                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  3:06                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-08  6:41                                     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:30                         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:36                           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 15:21                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 21:37                     ` Don Armstrong
2005-04-04 18:39       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-04-04 19:55         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 20:27           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:47             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 21:24               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:58                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:33               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  1:05               ` Alan Cox
2005-04-07  7:28               ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  7:25         ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  8:04           ` David Schmitt
2005-04-07  8:17             ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:32               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-07  8:46                 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:26           ` David Schwartz
2005-04-07 20:16             ` Raul Miller
2005-04-07 23:20               ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:55                 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:41                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 12:30                     ` Raul Miller
2005-04-04 19:05       ` Marco d'Itri
2005-04-04 19:14         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:32         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-05 14:05           ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 15:39             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 21:07             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  7:22               ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 11:23                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-08 17:34                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 17:42                   ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 18:01                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 18:16                       ` Rich Walker
2005-04-08 18:42                       ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-10  9:24                         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-04-11 20:55                           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09  0:31                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09 14:38                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-09 20:31                       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 11:53               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:41         ` Sven Luther

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