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From: "Franco \"Sensei\"" <senseiwa@tin.it>
To: arjanv@redhat.com
Cc: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [INFO] Kernel strict versioning
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:33:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <425EEFBE.7080106@tin.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1113508514.6293.82.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

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Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> this is a joke right? If you really think this you have no idea what ABI
> stability means and how extremely hard it is to even sort of remotely
> approach it.

I know it's really hard, the only way of possibly having ABI is plannig 
things really carefully about every single thing, so knowing every 
single piece... It's freakin' hard.

> Trust me. It's *extremely* hard to impossible. Several security fixes
> can only be fixed this way. And it's REALLY fragile even if for other
> fixes. And I am very glad that the linux kernel people in general decide
> to not go for abi stability, the hacks that would be needed would be so
> obscene and the gains very very minimal. (it's open source, you have the
> source after all!)

The gains are simply a rough reuse of older modules! Just joking...

I was simply wondering how guys like beos/haiku (it's a microkernel... i 
know... don't even think about starting a flame) could get ABI/API... I 
mean, if it's true that they have... I don't think it's because of c++ 
instead of plain c...

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-14 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-08 18:08 [INFO] Kernel strict versioning Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-08 19:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-12  1:02   ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-12  1:50     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-12  2:54       ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-12 11:28         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-04-12 17:22           ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-12 18:03             ` David Lang
2005-04-14 16:52               ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-14 17:57                 ` David Lang
2005-04-14 19:41                   ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-14 19:55                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-14 22:33                       ` Franco "Sensei" [this message]
2005-04-14 23:29                     ` Al Viro
     [not found]                       ` <425F33C2.8020301@tin.it>
2005-04-15  5:02                         ` Al Viro
2005-04-14 20:01                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-14 22:51                   ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-14 20:34                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-14 22:45                   ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-12 22:04             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-04-14 17:04               ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-12 22:43             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-14 17:40               ` Franco "Sensei"
2005-04-14 20:15                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-14 22:26                   ` Franco "Sensei"
     [not found] <3R6fp-7Qs-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <3R71T-4S-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <3Si4Q-Nh-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <3SiRe-1eq-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <3SjNh-1Yq-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <3Ss48-qG-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <3SxGA-5mR-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-04-12 21:52             ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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