From: Timur Tabi <timur.tabi@ammasso.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Roland Dreier <roland@topspin.com>,
hozer@hozed.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
openib-general@openib.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:22:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4263DEC5.5080909@ammasso.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050411171347.7e05859f.akpm@osdl.org>
Andrew Morton wrote:
> Roland Dreier <roland@topspin.com> wrote:
>
>> Troy> Do we even need the mlock in userspace then?
>>
>>Yes, because the kernel may go through and unmap pages from userspace
>>while trying to swap. Since we have the page locked in the kernel,
>>the physical page won't go anywhere, but userspace might end up with a
>>different page mapped at the same virtual address.
>
>
> That shouldn't happen. If get_user_pages() has elevated the refcount on a
> page then the following can happen:
>
> - The VM may decide to add the page to swapcache (if it's not mmapped
> from a file).
>
> - Once the page is backed by either swapcache of a (mmapped) file, the VM
> may decide the unmap the application's pte's. A later minor fault by the
> app will cause the same physical page to be remapped.
That's not what we're seeing. We have hardware that does DMA over the network (much like
the Infiniband stuff), and we have a testcase that fails if get_user_pages() is used, but
not if mlock() is used. Consider two computers on a network, X and Y. Both have our
hardware, which can transfer a page of memory from a given physical address on X to a
physical address on Y.
1) Application on X allocates a block of memory, and passes the virtual address to the driver.
2) Driver on X calls get_user_pages() and then obtains a physical address for the memory.
3) Application and driver on Y do the same thing.
4) App X fills memory with some data D.
5) App X then allocates as much memory as it possibly can. It touches every page in this
memory, and then frees the memory. This will force other pages to be swapped out,
including the supposedly pinned memory.
6) App X then tells Driver X to transfer data D to computer Y.
7) App Y compares data D and finds that it doesn't match with it's supposed to.
Conclusion: during step 5, the data in pinned memory is swapped out or something. I'm not
sure where it goes.
We can only demonstrate this problem using our hardware, because you need the ability to
transfer memory without using the CPU. We were going to prepare a test case and ship same
hardware to a few kernel developers to prove our point, but now that we're able to call
mlock() in non-user processes, we decided it wasn't worth our time. Actually, I
discovered that I can call cap_raise() and set the ulimit structure, which gives me the
ability to call mlock() on any amount of memory from any process in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels,
which we need to support. If I had thought of that earlier, I wouldn't have needed all
those hacks to call sys_mlock() from the driver.
--
Timur Tabi
Staff Software Engineer
timur.tabi@ammasso.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-04-18 16:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-04 22:09 [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][1/4] IB: core changes for userspace verbs Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][2/4] IB: userspace verbs main module Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][4/4] IB: userspace verbs Kconfig/Makefile changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:49 ` [openib-general] [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Tom Duffy
2005-04-04 23:34 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-21 0:37 ` [PATCH][MTHCA] fix sparc build WAS: " Tom Duffy
2005-04-21 0:38 ` David S. Miller
2005-04-11 14:22 ` [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 15:34 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 16:33 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 16:56 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 18:01 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 18:03 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12 0:13 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-12 0:21 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12 18:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-04-13 18:28 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-13 19:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-13 1:04 ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 17:15 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 3:31 ` Libor Michalek
2005-05-04 18:27 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-05 18:48 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-06 23:08 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 13:18 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-07 14:45 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 16:30 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 20:12 ` William Jordan
2005-05-11 20:42 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 22:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:53 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-11 23:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-05 23:34 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 16:22 ` Timur Tabi [this message]
2005-04-18 16:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-18 16:45 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24 2:44 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-24 14:23 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24 20:53 ` Greg KH
2005-04-24 21:52 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 1:03 ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 4:12 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 13:30 ` Dave Hansen
2005-04-25 13:15 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 13:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-25 14:16 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 20:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:21 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:58 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 0:11 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 0:23 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 0:37 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 2:21 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 3:16 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 3:38 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 4:33 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 14:07 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 15:31 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 15:42 ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-26 15:49 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 19:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 20:14 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 20:18 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-29 14:26 ` Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 15:56 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-29 16:45 ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:23 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-29 18:22 ` RDMA memory registration Brice Goglin
2005-04-29 18:31 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 19:33 ` [openib-general] " Grant Grundler
2005-05-03 8:42 ` David Addison
2005-05-03 15:36 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-29 19:43 ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 19:45 ` RDMA memory registration Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:04 ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-30 0:31 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-03 18:43 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-05-03 19:04 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-04 18:22 ` William Jordan
2005-05-05 1:27 ` Rik van Riel
2005-05-05 1:57 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-26 20:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 21:23 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-27 2:13 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27 3:21 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-27 3:15 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 2:03 ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2005-04-26 2:16 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 2:26 ` [openib-general] " Stephen Langdon
2005-04-25 22:23 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:35 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:42 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:13 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:21 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:27 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 0:08 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:51 ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbsimplementation Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:13 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:29 ` Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:17 ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-25 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:37 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 0:10 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 3:55 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-26 0:02 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 6:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-26 13:45 ` [openib-general] " Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 15:24 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 19:11 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-18 16:09 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:12 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-18 16:50 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:47 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-18 16:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 16:25 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 19:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:00 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:19 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:07 ` [openib-general] " Bernhard Fischer
2005-04-21 2:17 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-21 3:07 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 17:38 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 18:39 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:56 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 20:07 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:12 ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:14 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:25 ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-22 6:14 ` Greg KH
2005-04-22 17:55 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-22 18:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-29 0:56 ` Andrew Morton
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