USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Prisoner Of War]

Dear readers of this maillinglist,

I'm most of the time very happy that there is Linux (special thanks to 
Linus T.) and that i'm one happy computer user that isn't confronted all 
the time with a special blue screen.

I'm a user from the time kernel 2.0.xx started and yes it's not from the 
start but it's still a long time....

I'm almost very happy with the things that are going on in kernel land. 
And yes not all things that work in Wintendo aka Winboot will work under 
linux. But there are a few things that always worked very well. 
Including webcams. (yes i can stay polite and be nice but that won't 
have the effect i want....)

Now my dear daughter has her own laptop and she insists to run linux on 
it. She just had her birthday and she got a nice logitec webcam so she 
can use it on that very stable system.

BUT NO!!

These days she can't anymore. Why ?? Because there's a problem between 
hrh Greg Kroah (usb maintainer) and somebody who did his best to give 
user the possibility of using a goodworking webcam.

I don't want the discussion if it's proper or not to have that driver in 
the kernel. I have just the problem that i have todo more before it works...

I realy don't give a sh*t about that. I just want one thing and that is 
that the webcam starts working again and work like in ASAP. Rather 
yesterday then today.

So here's a user yrh Greg Kroah that realy wants that driver back in. 
I'm a user and i'm not alone! There are more users like me and what we 
want is that we have hardware which should work with the os we choose. 
We choose linux because it's stable and it's not wintendo. Are you gonna 
decide for us what we want ?? I hope not coz history tells us that those 
kind of people never last long...

So what about it are you going to help me? And make it possible for us 
to use our choosen hardware?


I realy hope you listen to me / us because I / we choose linux above 
windows...


Regards,

Gabriel Kenter




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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Adrian Bunk]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:07:04PM +0200, Prisoner Of War wrote:

> Dear readers of this maillinglist,

Hi "Prisoner Of War" [1],

>...
> Now my dear daughter has her own laptop and she insists to run linux on 
> it. She just had her birthday and she got a nice logitec webcam so she 
> can use it on that very stable system.
> 
> BUT NO!!
> 
> These days she can't anymore. Why ?? Because there's a problem between 
> hrh Greg Kroah (usb maintainer) and somebody who did his best to give 
> user the possibility of using a goodworking webcam.
> 
> I don't want the discussion if it's proper or not to have that driver in 
> the kernel. I have just the problem that i have todo more before it works...
> 
> I realy don't give a sh*t about that. I just want one thing and that is 
> that the webcam starts working again and work like in ASAP. Rather 
> yesterday then today.

if you'd have looked at the facts instead of writing this public flame 
you would have noticed, that the pwc driver was already in 2.6.12-rc 
yesterday, and that it was even there several days before yesterday.
 
> So here's a user yrh Greg Kroah that realy wants that driver back in. 
> I'm a user and i'm not alone! There are more users like me and what we 
> want is that we have hardware which should work with the os we choose. 
> We choose linux because it's stable and it's not wintendo. Are you gonna 
> decide for us what we want ?? I hope not coz history tells us that those 
> kind of people never last long...

It wasn't that Greg simply wanted to take the hardware support away from 
the users of Linux.

Greg also does his best to give the users of Linux a good working 
kernel. The details of how to achieve this might be discussible, but 
constructive contributions are usually more constructive than public 
flames.

> So what about it are you going to help me? And make it possible for us 
> to use our choosen hardware?

Wait for 2.6.12.

Or (if there is a pressing need for you) use 2.6.11-ac or 2.6.12-rc3.

> I realy hope you listen to me / us because I / we choose linux above 
> windows...

It's usually more impressive to point to your contributions to the 
development of the Linux kernel (if any).

I for one have used a few minutes of the part of my spare time I do 
spend for Linux kernel development for writing this email instead of 
doing any work...

> Regards,
> 
> Gabriel Kenter

cu
Adrian

[1] what a funny name your parents did choose for you

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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Jesper Juhl]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:07:04PM +0200, Prisoner Of War wrote:
> 
> > Dear readers of this maillinglist,
> 
> Hi "Prisoner Of War" [1],
> 
> >...
> > Now my dear daughter has her own laptop and she insists to run linux on 
> > it. She just had her birthday and she got a nice logitec webcam so she 
> > can use it on that very stable system.
> > 
> > BUT NO!!
> > 
> > These days she can't anymore. Why ?? Because there's a problem between 
> > hrh Greg Kroah (usb maintainer) and somebody who did his best to give 
> > user the possibility of using a goodworking webcam.
> > 
> > I don't want the discussion if it's proper or not to have that driver in 
> > the kernel. I have just the problem that i have todo more before it works...
> > 
> > I realy don't give a sh*t about that. I just want one thing and that is 
> > that the webcam starts working again and work like in ASAP. Rather 
> > yesterday then today.
> 
> if you'd have looked at the facts instead of writing this public flame 
> you would have noticed, that the pwc driver was already in 2.6.12-rc 
> yesterday, and that it was even there several days before yesterday.
>  
Not to mention that it has also been available sepperately from the kernel 
for a while at http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/


> > So here's a user yrh Greg Kroah that realy wants that driver back in. 
> > I'm a user and i'm not alone! There are more users like me and what we 
> > want is that we have hardware which should work with the os we choose. 
> > We choose linux because it's stable and it's not wintendo. Are you gonna 
> > decide for us what we want ?? I hope not coz history tells us that those 
> > kind of people never last long...
> 
> It wasn't that Greg simply wanted to take the hardware support away from 
> the users of Linux.
> 
> Greg also does his best to give the users of Linux a good working 
> kernel. The details of how to achieve this might be discussible, but 
> constructive contributions are usually more constructive than public 
> flames.
> 
> > So what about it are you going to help me? And make it possible for us 
> > to use our choosen hardware?
> 
> Wait for 2.6.12.
> 
> Or (if there is a pressing need for you) use 2.6.11-ac or 2.6.12-rc3.
> 
> > I realy hope you listen to me / us because I / we choose linux above 
> > windows...
> 
If you really want Greg to answer your questions then I'm wondering why 
you didn't write this email to him or at least put him on CC:...


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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Prisoner Of War]

Jesper Juhl wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:07:04PM +0200, Prisoner Of War wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Dear readers of this maillinglist,
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi "Prisoner Of War" [1],
>>
>>    
>>
>>>...
>>>Now my dear daughter has her own laptop and she insists to run linux on 
>>>it. She just had her birthday and she got a nice logitec webcam so she 
>>>can use it on that very stable system.
>>>
>>>BUT NO!!
>>>
>>>These days she can't anymore. Why ?? Because there's a problem between 
>>>hrh Greg Kroah (usb maintainer) and somebody who did his best to give 
>>>user the possibility of using a goodworking webcam.
>>>
>>>I don't want the discussion if it's proper or not to have that driver in 
>>>the kernel. I have just the problem that i have todo more before it works...
>>>
>>>I realy don't give a sh*t about that. I just want one thing and that is 
>>>that the webcam starts working again and work like in ASAP. Rather 
>>>yesterday then today.
>>>      
>>>
>>if you'd have looked at the facts instead of writing this public flame 
>>you would have noticed, that the pwc driver was already in 2.6.12-rc 
>>yesterday, and that it was even there several days before yesterday.
>>
>>    
>>
Yesterday it wasn't important for me. Coz i'm just a user.....

>Not to mention that it has also been available sepperately from the kernel 
>for a while at http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/
>
>  
>
Yes i know / knew that. But that's the point.

>  
>
>>>So here's a user yrh Greg Kroah that realy wants that driver back in. 
>>>I'm a user and i'm not alone! There are more users like me and what we 
>>>want is that we have hardware which should work with the os we choose. 
>>>We choose linux because it's stable and it's not wintendo. Are you gonna 
>>>decide for us what we want ?? I hope not coz history tells us that those 
>>>kind of people never last long...
>>>      
>>>
>>It wasn't that Greg simply wanted to take the hardware support away from 
>>the users of Linux.
>>
>>    
>>
It wasn't him.....think twice....

>>Greg also does his best to give the users of Linux a good working 
>>kernel. The details of how to achieve this might be discussible, but 
>>constructive contributions are usually more constructive than public 
>>flames.
>>
>>    
>>
Oh i believe he does and I know he does. But the way i reacted is just 
like a user. From the users point of view.

>>>So what about it are you going to help me? And make it possible for us 
>>>to use our choosen hardware?
>>>      
>>>
>>Wait for 2.6.12.
>>
>>Or (if there is a pressing need for you) use 2.6.11-ac or 2.6.12-rc3.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I realy hope you listen to me / us because I / we choose linux above 
>>>windows...
>>>      
>>>
>If you really want Greg to answer your questions then I'm wondering why 
>you didn't write this email to him or at least put him on CC:...
>  
>
I didn't write it to him because he's on this list and besides that 
there are websites who give you the possibility to read this list as i 
do that myself.

But the effect i wanted to reach is reached.


Regards,

Gabriel Kenter
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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Arjan van de Ven]

> But the effect i wanted to reach is reached.

you wanted to look like an ass in public? In that case yes the effect is
reached ;)

Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Prisoner Of War]

Arjan van de Ven wrote:

>>But the effect i wanted to reach is reached.
>>    
>>
>
>you wanted to look like an ass in public? In that case yes the effect is
>reached ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
Sure Arjen if you say so.

Your the wise.

Thank you for making it so clear. But The effect is reached ;)
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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Al Viro]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:09:47PM +0200, Prisoner Of War wrote:
> Oh i believe he does and I know he does. But the way i reacted is just 
> like a user. From the users point of view.

You reacted like a belligerent luser, actually, but even mislabeled and
misplaced this exhibit makes an invaluable contribution to Ethology 101.
Thank you.

Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Prisoner Of War]

Al Viro wrote:

>On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:09:47PM +0200, Prisoner Of War wrote:
>  
>
>>Oh i believe he does and I know he does. But the way i reacted is just 
>>like a user. From the users point of view.
>>    
>>
>
>You reacted like a belligerent luser, actually, but even mislabeled and
>misplaced this exhibit makes an invaluable contribution to Ethology 101.
>Thank you.
>
>
>  
>
Dear Al,

Reading your reaction was intresting. I / We can clearly see you had an 
education....all those intelligent words.... you where paying attention 
that time....

But reading it again made me think that it's your subconscious reacting 
with these words. In fact you see yourself as:

   acrid, aggressive, antagonist, antagonistic, antipathetic, ardent,
   argumental, argumentative, attacking, battler, battling, bellicose,
   belted knight, bickerer, bickering, bitter, blade, bloodthirsty,
   bloody, bloody-minded, bravo, brawler, bully, bullyboy,
   cat-and-dog, cat-and-doggish, caustic, chauvinist, chauvinistic,
   clashing, colliding, combatant, combative, competitor, conflicting,
   contender, contentious, contestant, controversial, despiteful,
   disputant, disputatious, divisive, duelist, enemy, enforcer,
   eristic, factional, factious, fencer, ferocious, feuder, fierce,
   fighter, fighting, fighting cock, foilsman, full of fight,
   full of hate, gamecock, gladiator, goon, gorilla, hatchet man,
   hateful, hawk, hawkish, hood, hoodlum, hooligan, hostile, hot,
   inimical, invading, irascible, irritable, jingo, jingoish,
   jingoist, jingoistic, jouster, knight, litigious, malevolent,
   malicious, malignant, martial, militant, militaristic, military,
   offensive, partisan, plug-ugly, polarizing, polemic, pugnacious,
   quarreler, quarrelsome, rancorous, repugnant, rioter, rival, rough,
   rowdy, ruffian, saber-rattling, sabreur, sanguinary, sanguineous,
   savage, scrapper, scrappy, scuffler, set against, shrewish,
   soldierlike, soldierly, sore, spiteful, squabbler, strong arm,
   strong-arm man, strong-armer, struggler, swashbuckler, sword,
   swordplayer, swordsman, tempered, thug, tilter, tough,
   trigger-happy, truculent, tussler, unfriendly, unpacific,
   unpeaceable, unpeaceful, venomous, virulent, vitriolic, warlike,
   warmonger, warmongering, warring, wrangler, wrangling

But that's that...

Calling names is a special game for infants / children and i don't like 
those games so i won't play them. Thank you for the inside of your 
personality...

If i remember right you missed those classes about Ethology 101....

But never the less i reached my point. So it's finished for me.

I like to thank you AL for your comment, some crustaceans are what they 
are.....


Regards,


Gabriel Kenter







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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Jose Luis Domingo Lopez]

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Greetings.

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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Bill Davidsen]

Prisoner Of War wrote:

>> If you really want Greg to answer your questions then I'm wondering 
>> why you didn't write this email to him or at least put him on CC:...
>>  
>>
> I didn't write it to him because he's on this list and besides that 
> there are websites who give you the possibility to read this list as i 
> do that myself.
> 
> But the effect i wanted to reach is reached.

What effect was that? The stuff you were whining about had available 
fixes and was queued for eventual release, nothing changed there. I 
added your original post to my file of horrible examples, but I doubt 
like hell that's "the effect you wanted to reach."

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"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
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Re: USB maintainer, Greg Kroah ---->> PWC discussion

[Prisoner Of War]

Adrian Bunk wrote:

>On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:07:04PM +0200, Prisoner Of War wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear readers of this maillinglist,
>>    
>>
>
>Hi "Prisoner Of War" [1],
>
>  
>
>>...
>>Now my dear daughter has her own laptop and she insists to run linux on 
>>it. She just had her birthday and she got a nice logitec webcam so she 
>>can use it on that very stable system.
>>
>>BUT NO!!
>>
>>These days she can't anymore. Why ?? Because there's a problem between 
>>hrh Greg Kroah (usb maintainer) and somebody who did his best to give 
>>user the possibility of using a goodworking webcam.
>>
>>I don't want the discussion if it's proper or not to have that driver in 
>>the kernel. I have just the problem that i have todo more before it works...
>>
>>I realy don't give a sh*t about that. I just want one thing and that is 
>>that the webcam starts working again and work like in ASAP. Rather 
>>yesterday then today.
>>    
>>
>
>if you'd have looked at the facts instead of writing this public flame 
>you would have noticed, that the pwc driver was already in 2.6.12-rc 
>yesterday, and that it was even there several days before yesterday.
>  
>
It was taken out. Why ? Coz it's not working? Since a few days back...if 
you don't take it out you don't have to put it back.

> 
>  
>
>>So here's a user yrh Greg Kroah that realy wants that driver back in. 
>>I'm a user and i'm not alone! There are more users like me and what we 
>>want is that we have hardware which should work with the os we choose. 
>>We choose linux because it's stable and it's not wintendo. Are you gonna 
>>decide for us what we want ?? I hope not coz history tells us that those 
>>kind of people never last long...
>>    
>>
>
>It wasn't that Greg simply wanted to take the hardware support away from 
>the users of Linux.
>  
>
He did it and i / we users had the problem.

>Greg also does his best to give the users of Linux a good working 
>kernel. The details of how to achieve this might be discussible, but 
>constructive contributions are usually more constructive than public flames.
>  
>
This wasn't a flame....

>>So what about it are you going to help me? And make it possible for us 
>>to use our choosen hardware?
>>    
>>
>
>Wait for 2.6.12.
>
>Or (if there is a pressing need for you) use 2.6.11-ac or 2.6.12-rc3.
>
>  
>
>>I realy hope you listen to me / us because I / we choose linux above 
>>windows...
>>    
>>
>
>It's usually more impressive to point to your contributions to the 
>development of the Linux kernel (if any).
>  
>
This is the greatest bullsh*t ever written. With other words if you 
don't contribute you need to silent....
BTW i / we did.

>I for one have used a few minutes of the part of my spare time I do 
>spend for Linux kernel development for writing this email instead of 
>doing any work...
>
>  
>
And used some extra time to be sarcastic....What a waste.....

>>Regards,
>>
>>Gabriel Kenter
>>    
>>
>
>cu
>Adrian
>
>[1] what a funny name your parents did choose for you
>
>  
>
Does a name count.......strange.....talking about open....



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