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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: kus Kusche Klaus <kus@keba.com>
Cc: James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>,
	"Bill Huey (hui)" <bhuey@lnxw.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@mvista.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RT patch acceptance
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:43:06 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429AEE3A.5080803@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AAD6DA242BC63C488511C611BD51F367323224@MAILIT.keba.co.at>

kus Kusche Klaus wrote:

>>You don't explain how making the Linux kernel hard-RT
>>will be so much simpler and more supportable!
> 
> 
> I didn't state that a hard-RT linux is simpler, technically 
> (however, personally, I believe that once RT linux is there, *our*
> job of writing RT applications, device drivers, ... will be simpler
> compared to a nanokernel approach).
> 

Perhaps very slightly simpler. Let's keep in mind that we're
not talking about "hello, world" apps here though, so I don't
think such a general statement is of any use.

> I just stated that for the management, with its limited interest and
> understanding of deep technical details (and, in our case, with bad 
> experiences with RT plus non-RT OS solutions), a one-system solution
> *sounds* much simpler, easier to understand, and easier to manage.
> 

So does Windows NT to some. But let's stick to technical details.

> Decisions in companies aren't based on purely technical facts,
> sometimes not even on rational arguments...
> 
> And concerning support:

[...]

> Hence, w.r.t. support, the nanokernel approach looks much worse. 
> 

Gee, I think you're treading very thin ground there. Basing your
argument on what possible companies or communities might possibly
support one of two unimplemented solutions.

What's more, there is no reason why a hard-RT guest kernel, or the
host nanokernel would be closed source.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com 

  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-30 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 333+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30 10:16 RT patch acceptance kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-30 10:43 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-05-30 11:34   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 11:58     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 18:26       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-30 18:37       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 18:56         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 18:58           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 19:33           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 19:46             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 20:00             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  8:53               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 22:01               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01  0:38                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 22:34           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 22:49             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 22:49               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:15                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  0:07                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-31 16:29                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 19:52                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:16                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 21:36                       ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 19:55                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:01                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 20:10                       ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:14                       ` David Lang
2005-06-01  2:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01  2:13                           ` David Lang
2005-05-30 16:33 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-31  4:39 Saksena, Manas
2005-05-30  8:25 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-30  9:49 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25 18:10 YhLu
2005-05-25 18:51 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-25  7:58 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-06-01 17:56 ` Paul G. Allen
2005-05-25  6:55 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-25  7:06 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-23 23:14 Daniel Walker
2005-05-24  2:01 ` john cooper
2005-05-24  5:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-24  6:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  8:03     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24  8:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  8:27         ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24  9:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  9:14             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24 10:13               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 18:05               ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 22:41                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-24 23:44                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  0:10                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  0:32                       ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-25  0:45                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  1:32                           ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-25  0:45                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  0:59                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  1:02                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  1:43                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-25  2:02                               ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  2:20                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-25  2:26                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:24                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  3:36                                       ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  5:05                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  6:05                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 18:50                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:26                                   ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25  5:17                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25 13:20                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25  6:33                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  7:18                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  7:46                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 10:51                                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-05-25  8:29                                     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-05-25 13:23                                     ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25 17:17                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-25 17:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25 18:00                                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 19:32                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-26 20:11                                           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 20:27                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-26 20:46                                               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 23:57                                                 ` john cooper
2005-05-26 21:28                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-26 23:44                                               ` john cooper
2005-05-27  5:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27  5:24                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27  7:18                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27  8:07                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 15:56                                                     ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-28  3:59                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-27  7:20                                                 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-27  8:17                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 10:17                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27 17:46                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-27 12:08                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27 12:10                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 20:36                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27 12:43                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 23:36                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  3:53                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-28  4:27                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-28  4:43                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-28  5:53                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  5:45                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  6:49                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-29 11:37                                                             ` James Bruce
2005-05-29 12:23                                                               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-30  9:37                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 13:43                                                                 ` James Bruce
2005-05-30 14:21                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 22:27                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 22:54                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 23:05                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:29                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  1:21                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31  2:09                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31  9:12                                                                           ` James Bruce
2005-05-31  9:33                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31 10:23                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 10:48                                                                               ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 11:06                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31 11:14                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 11:31                                                                                   ` Hari N
2005-05-31 16:59                                                                                   ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 12:09                                                                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 16:18                                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 16:42                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 17:11                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 17:42                                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 17:51                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 18:29                                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 20:54                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 21:22                                                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 21:47                                                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 22:24                                                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 23:41                                                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:50                                                                                                     ` Zan Lynx
2005-06-01  2:38                                                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-31 22:15                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 22:33                                                                                                   ` NZG
2005-05-31 23:14                                                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 21:33                                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 23:59                                                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:57                                                                                             ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-06-01  6:23                                                                                             ` John Alvord
2005-06-01 11:41                                                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:26                                                                                   ` Peter Chubb
2005-06-01  8:17                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 14:30                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 15:07                                                                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 16:11                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 18:36                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-05-31 20:45                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01  1:14                                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01  1:30                                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  1:50                                                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01  2:42                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-01 12:18                                                                                           ` Paulo Marques
2005-06-01 13:51                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:19                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 14:32                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:39                                                                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-01 14:45                                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 14:57                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:45                                                                                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:05                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:15                                                                                                       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:32                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:33                                                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01 15:38                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:53                                                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-01 19:22                                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 19:34                                                                                                               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 19:59                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:17                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 20:32                                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:46                                                                                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 21:07                                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 21:29                                                                                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 21:39                                                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 22:29                                                                                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 23:44                                                                                                                                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-01 21:42                                                                                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 21:59                                                                                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 22:32                                                                                                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 23:02                                                                                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 23:19                                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-02  8:50                                                                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 23:59                                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-02  0:03                                                                                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 19:39                                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 20:44                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:56                                                                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-01 21:09                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:46                                                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:56                                                                                                     ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-01 14:58                                                                                                     ` Paulo Marques
2005-06-01 15:17                                                                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:33                                                                                                         ` john cooper
2005-06-01 15:43                                                                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:19                                                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01 14:59                                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:47                                                                                                       ` NZG
2005-06-01 15:58                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:20                                                                                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-01 18:19                                                                                                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:09                                                                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  9:14                                                                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 23:32                                                                     ` James Bruce
2005-05-31  1:22                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31  2:06                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31  2:26                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31  7:34                                                                         ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 19:10                                                                       ` Elladan
2005-05-30 22:10                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 17:53                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 19:24                                                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 19:44                                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 21:44                                                                     ` Rich Walker
2005-05-30 22:45                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:03                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 23:12                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:31                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  0:00                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 11:25                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-29  1:55                                                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29  2:48                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-29  2:58                                                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29  4:08                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 15:00                                                                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29 17:50                                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 19:52                                                                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29 21:16                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-30 13:01                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 14:30                                                             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-28  6:55                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 10:22                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:24                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 10:36                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:34                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:50                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:48                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 11:01                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 11:32                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27  9:03                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27  9:14                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27  9:22                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-14  0:48                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-14  3:29                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14  3:38                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-26 20:38                                           ` john cooper
2005-05-26 21:00                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 21:23                                               ` john cooper
2005-05-26 20:52                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-26 21:09                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 21:14                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                           ` <20050526200424.GA27162@elte.hu>
     [not found]                                             ` <20050527123529.GD86087@muc.de>
2005-05-27 12:48                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 12:56                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-27 13:13                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:31                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-27 13:44                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:50                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:53                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-28 19:55                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-28 20:57                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-05-27 13:56                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2005-05-27 14:27                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2005-05-27 16:35                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-30  9:53                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 10:33                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-30 10:56                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 11:15                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27 13:34                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  3:48                                 ` john cooper
2005-05-25 11:35                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 13:14                                     ` john cooper
2005-05-25  6:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  1:05                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  2:37                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  2:36                     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  2:56                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  3:05                       ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-25 19:24                       ` Tim Bird
2005-05-25  2:38                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  2:58                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  2:51                         ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  6:15                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 13:25                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  8:16                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 13:27                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25 17:32                         ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-25 18:16                           ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-27  2:29                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25 16:01                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2005-05-24 11:22           ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-24 15:21             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24 15:41               ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-24 17:31                 ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 15:56               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 23:21               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-24 15:44         ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 15:47           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 16:27           ` john cooper
2005-05-24 18:01         ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24  9:38   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-24 13:29     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 13:58       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-24 14:42         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 15:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 16:17             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 21:23               ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-24 22:31                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 22:54                   ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-24 23:41                   ` Lee Revell
     [not found]                     ` <1116979434.2912.63.camel@mindpipe>
2005-05-25  0:48                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 23:46                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:38                     ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-24 23:49                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 14:26                     ` Philippe Gerum
2005-05-24 14:47         ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-24 17:22         ` Philippe Gerum
2005-05-25  0:21           ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  2:04     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25 20:58 ` Tom Vier
2005-05-25 21:05   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 21:10     ` NZG
2005-05-25 21:25     ` Tom Vier
2005-05-25 21:43       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 21:45       ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 21:43   ` Bill Huey

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