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From: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
To: "Bill Huey (hui)" <bhuey@lnxw.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@mvista.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RT patch acceptance
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:29:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429BA1D7.2010404@opersys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050530230557.GF9972@nietzsche.lynx.com>


Bill Huey (hui) wrote:
> When I think about it in terms of dual kernel primitives, I really have
> difficulty thinking about how to use the message queue stuff to integrate
> all of the systems involved in particular with shared buffers. Proper
> locking in those cases is scary to me for both methods, but at least
> the single kernel image stuff uses familiar chunks of memory that I can
> manipulate. I'm open to be proven wrong about this point if you have a
> good example sources to show me. I really am.

Having shared buffers between adeos and Linux and/or rtai and Linux is
common practice. The're all living in the same address space anyway.
So from that point of view, just lock those pages in memory.

The issue then becomes, how do these domain all talk to each other.
At the lowest of levels, Adeos provides a fairly simple inter-domain
communication mechanism: virtual interrupts. If you have a driver that
must absolutely get hard-rt responsiveness, you load it as a priority
Adeos domain and have its hard-rt handler shoot virtual interupts to
its non-rt linux upper half using a virtual interrupt, which can then
do the rest of the work that would be done by an interrupt handler.
The reverse is also possible: use a normal linux driver to feed
virtual interrupts to higher-priority adeos domain.

These are basic primitives, and it isn't difficult to see how fancy
services can be built on. As is RTAI for example.

Again, none of this precludes working to reduce Linux's responsiveness,
but it may just save the need for modifying the locking mechanisms
or threading the interrupt handlers.

Karim
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-30 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 345+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-23 23:14 RT patch acceptance Daniel Walker
2005-05-24  2:01 ` john cooper
2005-05-24  5:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-24  6:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  8:03     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24  8:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  8:27         ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24  9:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  9:14             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24 10:13               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 18:05               ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 22:41                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-24 23:44                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  0:10                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  0:32                       ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-25  0:45                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  1:32                           ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-25  0:45                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  0:59                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  1:02                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  1:43                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-25  2:02                               ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  2:20                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-25  2:26                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:24                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  3:36                                       ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  5:05                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  6:09                                           ` RT patch acceptance (scheduler) Bill Huey
2005-05-25  7:00                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  9:27                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 14:50                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25 15:12                                                   ` RT patch acceptance (scheduler) --- QUESTION Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-25 15:36                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25  6:05                                       ` RT patch acceptance Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 18:50                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:26                                   ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25  5:17                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25 13:20                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25  6:33                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  7:18                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  7:46                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 10:51                                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-05-25  8:29                                     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-05-25 13:23                                     ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25 17:17                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-25 17:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25 18:00                                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 19:32                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-26 20:11                                           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 20:27                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-26 20:46                                               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 23:57                                                 ` john cooper
2005-05-26 21:28                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-26 23:44                                               ` john cooper
2005-05-27  5:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27  5:24                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27  7:18                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27  8:07                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 15:56                                                     ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-28  3:59                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-27  7:20                                                 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-27  8:17                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 10:17                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27 17:46                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-27 12:08                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27 12:10                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 20:36                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27 12:43                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 23:36                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  3:53                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-28  4:27                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-28  4:43                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-28  5:53                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  5:45                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  6:49                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-29 11:37                                                             ` James Bruce
2005-05-29 12:23                                                               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-30  9:37                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 13:43                                                                 ` James Bruce
2005-05-30 14:21                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 22:27                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 22:54                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 23:05                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:29                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour [this message]
2005-05-31  1:21                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31  2:09                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31  9:12                                                                           ` James Bruce
2005-05-31  9:33                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31 10:23                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 10:48                                                                               ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 11:06                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31 11:14                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 11:31                                                                                   ` Hari N
2005-05-31 16:59                                                                                   ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 12:09                                                                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 16:18                                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 16:42                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 17:11                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 17:42                                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 17:51                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 18:29                                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 20:54                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 21:22                                                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 21:47                                                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 22:24                                                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 23:41                                                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:50                                                                                                     ` Zan Lynx
2005-06-01  2:38                                                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-31 22:15                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 22:33                                                                                                   ` NZG
2005-05-31 23:14                                                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 21:33                                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 23:59                                                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:57                                                                                             ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-06-01  6:23                                                                                             ` John Alvord
2005-06-01 11:41                                                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:26                                                                                   ` Peter Chubb
2005-06-01  8:17                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 14:30                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 15:07                                                                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 16:11                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 18:36                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-05-31 20:45                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01  1:14                                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01  1:30                                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  1:50                                                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01  2:42                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-01 12:18                                                                                           ` Paulo Marques
2005-06-01 13:51                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:19                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 14:32                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:39                                                                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-01 14:45                                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 14:57                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:45                                                                                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:05                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:15                                                                                                       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:32                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:30                                                                                                         ` pi_test predicted results Daniel Walker
2005-06-01 17:58                                                                                                           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:33                                                                                                       ` RT patch acceptance Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01 15:38                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:53                                                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-01 19:22                                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 19:34                                                                                                               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 19:59                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:17                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 20:32                                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:46                                                                                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 21:07                                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 21:29                                                                                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 21:39                                                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 22:29                                                                                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 23:44                                                                                                                                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-01 21:42                                                                                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 21:59                                                                                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 22:32                                                                                                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 23:02                                                                                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 23:19                                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-02  8:50                                                                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 23:59                                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-02  0:03                                                                                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 19:39                                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 20:44                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:56                                                                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-01 21:09                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:46                                                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:56                                                                                                     ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-01 14:58                                                                                                     ` Paulo Marques
2005-06-01 15:17                                                                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:33                                                                                                         ` john cooper
2005-06-01 15:43                                                                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:19                                                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01 14:59                                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:47                                                                                                       ` NZG
2005-06-01 15:58                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:20                                                                                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-01 18:19                                                                                                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:09                                                                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  9:14                                                                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 23:32                                                                     ` James Bruce
2005-05-31  1:22                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31  2:06                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31  2:26                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31  7:34                                                                         ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 19:10                                                                       ` Elladan
2005-05-30 22:10                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 17:53                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 19:24                                                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 19:44                                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 21:44                                                                     ` Rich Walker
2005-05-30 22:45                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:03                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 23:12                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:31                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  0:00                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 11:25                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-29  1:55                                                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29  2:48                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-29  2:58                                                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29  4:08                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 15:00                                                                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29 17:50                                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 19:52                                                                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29 21:16                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-30 13:01                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 14:30                                                             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-28  6:55                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 10:22                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:24                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 10:36                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:34                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:50                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:48                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 11:01                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 11:32                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27  9:03                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27  9:14                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27  9:22                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-14  0:48                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-14  3:29                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14  3:38                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-26 20:38                                           ` john cooper
2005-05-26 21:00                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 21:23                                               ` john cooper
2005-05-26 20:52                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-26 21:09                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 21:14                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                           ` <20050526200424.GA27162@elte.hu>
     [not found]                                             ` <20050527123529.GD86087@muc.de>
2005-05-27 12:48                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 12:56                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-27 13:13                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:31                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-27 13:44                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:50                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:53                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-28 19:55                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-28 20:57                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-05-27 13:56                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2005-05-27 14:27                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2005-05-27 16:35                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-30  9:53                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 10:33                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-30 10:56                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 12:10                                                               ` what is the -RT tree Ingo Molnar
2005-05-30 12:40                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 13:30                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 16:18                                                                   ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-30 11:15                                                             ` RT patch acceptance Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27 13:34                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  3:48                                 ` john cooper
2005-05-25 11:35                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 13:14                                     ` john cooper
2005-05-25  6:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  1:05                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  2:37                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  2:36                     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  2:56                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  3:05                       ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-25 19:24                       ` Tim Bird
2005-05-25  2:38                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  2:58                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  2:51                         ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  6:15                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 13:25                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  8:16                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 13:27                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25 17:32                         ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-25 18:16                           ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-27  2:29                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25 16:01                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2005-05-24 11:22           ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-24 15:21             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24 15:41               ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-24 17:31                 ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 15:56               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 23:21               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-24 15:44         ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 15:47           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 16:27           ` john cooper
2005-05-24 18:01         ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24  9:38   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-24 13:29     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 13:58       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-24 14:42         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 15:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 16:17             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 21:23               ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-24 22:31                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 22:54                   ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-24 23:41                   ` Lee Revell
     [not found]                     ` <1116979434.2912.63.camel@mindpipe>
2005-05-25  0:48                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 23:46                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:38                     ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-24 23:49                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 14:26                     ` Philippe Gerum
2005-05-24 14:47         ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-24 17:22         ` Philippe Gerum
2005-05-25  0:21           ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  2:04     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25 20:58 ` Tom Vier
2005-05-25 21:05   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 21:10     ` NZG
2005-05-25 21:25     ` Tom Vier
2005-05-25 21:43       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 21:45       ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 21:43   ` Bill Huey
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-25  6:55 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-25  7:06 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  7:58 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-06-01 17:56 ` Paul G. Allen
2005-05-25 18:10 YhLu
2005-05-25 18:51 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30  8:25 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-30  9:49 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 10:16 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-30 10:43 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 11:34   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 11:58     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 18:26       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-30 18:37       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 18:56         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 18:58           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 19:33           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 19:46             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 20:00             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  8:53               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 22:01               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01  0:38                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 22:34           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 22:49             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 22:49               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:15                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  0:07                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-31 16:29                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 19:52                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:16                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 21:36                       ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 19:55                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:01                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 20:10                       ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:14                       ` David Lang
2005-06-01  2:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01  2:13                           ` David Lang
2005-05-30 16:33 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-31  4:39 Saksena, Manas

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