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From: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Paulo Marques <pmarques@grupopie.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>,
	James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	"Bill Huey (hui)" <bhuey@lnxw.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@mvista.com>,
	dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RT patch acceptance
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:09:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429DCF96.8020602@opersys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050601143202.GI5413@g5.random>


Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> Then I'm afraid preempt-RT infringe on the patent that they take after
> years of doing that in linux. I'm not a lawyer but you may want to
> check before investing too much on this for the next 15 years. The
> nanokernel thing has happened exactly because they couldn't wrap the cli
> calls to do something different than a cli AFIK. Nanokernel was a nice
> workaround to avoid having to us the patented irq disable redefine.
> 
> I assumed you weren't infringing on the patent and in turn disabling irq
> locally would actually do that, sorry.

This is a touchy topic, and I can see this thread turning into the mother
of all LKML threads with lots of unproductivity on this issue alone ...

Assuming we're talking about the same patent (US5,995,745) the best thing
one can do to understand is read the actual patent claims. There are two
root claims in the patent (1 & 7) and they both start with:

>> A process for running a general purpose computer operating system
>> using a real time operating system, including the steps of:
>>
>> a) providing a real time operating system for running real time
>> tasks and components and non-real time tasks;
>>
>> b) providing a general purpose operating system as one of the
>> non-real time tasks;
>>
>> c) preempting the general purpose operating system as needed for
>> the real time tasks; and
>>
>> d) preventing the general purpose operating system from blocking
>> preemption of the non-real time tasks.

The full text is here:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=12&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=5995745&OS=5995745&RS=5995745

In my unlawyerly opinion, neither a nanokernel/hypervisor nor PREEMPT_RT
could possibly be interpreted as doing what is claimed above.

Karim
-- 
Author, Speaker, Developer, Consultant
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-01 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 345+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-23 23:14 RT patch acceptance Daniel Walker
2005-05-24  2:01 ` john cooper
2005-05-24  5:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-24  6:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  8:03     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24  8:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  8:27         ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24  9:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24  9:14             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24 10:13               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 18:05               ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 22:41                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-24 23:44                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  0:10                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  0:32                       ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-25  0:45                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  1:32                           ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-25  0:45                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  0:59                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  1:02                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-25  1:43                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-25  2:02                               ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  2:20                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-25  2:26                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:24                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  3:36                                       ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  5:05                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  6:09                                           ` RT patch acceptance (scheduler) Bill Huey
2005-05-25  7:00                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  9:27                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 14:50                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25 15:12                                                   ` RT patch acceptance (scheduler) --- QUESTION Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-25 15:36                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25  6:05                                       ` RT patch acceptance Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 18:50                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:26                                   ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25  5:17                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25 13:20                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25  6:33                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  7:18                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  7:46                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 10:51                                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-05-25  8:29                                     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-05-25 13:23                                     ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-25 17:17                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-25 17:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25 18:00                                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 19:32                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-26 20:11                                           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 20:27                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-26 20:46                                               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 23:57                                                 ` john cooper
2005-05-26 21:28                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-26 23:44                                               ` john cooper
2005-05-27  5:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27  5:24                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27  7:18                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27  8:07                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 15:56                                                     ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-28  3:59                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-27  7:20                                                 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-27  8:17                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 10:17                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27 17:46                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-27 12:08                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27 12:10                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 20:36                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27 12:43                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-27 23:36                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  3:53                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-28  4:27                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-28  4:43                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-28  5:53                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  5:45                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28  6:49                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-29 11:37                                                             ` James Bruce
2005-05-29 12:23                                                               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-30  9:37                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 13:43                                                                 ` James Bruce
2005-05-30 14:21                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 22:27                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 22:54                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 23:05                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:29                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  1:21                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31  2:09                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31  9:12                                                                           ` James Bruce
2005-05-31  9:33                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31 10:23                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 10:48                                                                               ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 11:06                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31 11:14                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 11:31                                                                                   ` Hari N
2005-05-31 16:59                                                                                   ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 12:09                                                                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 16:18                                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 16:42                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 17:11                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 17:42                                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 17:51                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 18:29                                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 20:54                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 21:22                                                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 21:47                                                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 22:24                                                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 23:41                                                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:50                                                                                                     ` Zan Lynx
2005-06-01  2:38                                                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-31 22:15                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 22:33                                                                                                   ` NZG
2005-05-31 23:14                                                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 21:33                                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 23:59                                                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:57                                                                                             ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-06-01  6:23                                                                                             ` John Alvord
2005-06-01 11:41                                                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  0:26                                                                                   ` Peter Chubb
2005-06-01  8:17                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 14:30                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 15:07                                                                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 16:11                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-31 18:36                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-05-31 20:45                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01  1:14                                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01  1:30                                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-01  1:50                                                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01  2:42                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-01 12:18                                                                                           ` Paulo Marques
2005-06-01 13:51                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:19                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 14:32                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:39                                                                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-01 14:45                                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 14:57                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:45                                                                                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:05                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:15                                                                                                       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:32                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:30                                                                                                         ` pi_test predicted results Daniel Walker
2005-06-01 17:58                                                                                                           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:33                                                                                                       ` RT patch acceptance Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01 15:38                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:53                                                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-01 19:22                                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 19:34                                                                                                               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 19:59                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:17                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 20:32                                                                                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:46                                                                                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 21:07                                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 21:29                                                                                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 21:39                                                                                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 22:29                                                                                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 23:44                                                                                                                                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-01 21:42                                                                                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 21:59                                                                                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 22:32                                                                                                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 23:02                                                                                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 23:19                                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-02  8:50                                                                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 23:59                                                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-02  0:03                                                                                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01 19:39                                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-01 20:44                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 20:56                                                                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-01 21:09                                                                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:46                                                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 14:56                                                                                                     ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-01 14:58                                                                                                     ` Paulo Marques
2005-06-01 15:17                                                                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:33                                                                                                         ` john cooper
2005-06-01 15:43                                                                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 15:19                                                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-01 14:59                                                                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:47                                                                                                       ` NZG
2005-06-01 15:58                                                                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01 17:20                                                                                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-01 18:19                                                                                                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-01 15:09                                                                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour [this message]
2005-05-31  9:14                                                                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 23:32                                                                     ` James Bruce
2005-05-31  1:22                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-31  2:06                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31  2:26                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31  7:34                                                                         ` James Bruce
2005-05-31 19:10                                                                       ` Elladan
2005-05-30 22:10                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 17:53                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 19:24                                                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 19:44                                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 21:44                                                                     ` Rich Walker
2005-05-30 22:45                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:03                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 23:12                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:31                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  0:00                                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 11:25                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-29  1:55                                                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29  2:48                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-29  2:58                                                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29  4:08                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 15:00                                                                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29 17:50                                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-29 19:52                                                                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-29 21:16                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-30 13:01                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 14:30                                                             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-28  6:55                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 10:22                                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:24                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 10:36                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:34                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:50                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 10:48                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-28 11:01                                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-05-28 11:32                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-27  9:03                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27  9:14                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27  9:22                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-14  0:48                                                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-14  3:29                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14  3:38                                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-26 20:38                                           ` john cooper
2005-05-26 21:00                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 21:23                                               ` john cooper
2005-05-26 20:52                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-26 21:09                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-26 21:14                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                           ` <20050526200424.GA27162@elte.hu>
     [not found]                                             ` <20050527123529.GD86087@muc.de>
2005-05-27 12:48                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 12:56                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-27 13:13                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:31                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-27 13:44                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:50                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-27 13:53                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-28 19:55                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-28 20:57                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-05-27 13:56                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2005-05-27 14:27                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2005-05-27 16:35                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-30  9:53                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 10:33                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-30 10:56                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 12:10                                                               ` what is the -RT tree Ingo Molnar
2005-05-30 12:40                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 13:30                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 16:18                                                                   ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-30 11:15                                                             ` RT patch acceptance Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-27 13:34                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  3:48                                 ` john cooper
2005-05-25 11:35                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 13:14                                     ` john cooper
2005-05-25  6:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25  1:05                           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25  2:37                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  2:36                     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  2:56                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  3:05                       ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-25 19:24                       ` Tim Bird
2005-05-25  2:38                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  2:58                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  2:51                         ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25  6:15                     ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 13:25                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25  8:16                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-25 13:27                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-25 17:32                         ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-05-25 18:16                           ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-27  2:29                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-25 16:01                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2005-05-24 11:22           ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-24 15:21             ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-24 15:41               ` K.R. Foley
2005-05-24 17:31                 ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 15:56               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 23:21               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-24 15:44         ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24 15:47           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 16:27           ` john cooper
2005-05-24 18:01         ` Daniel Walker
2005-05-24  9:38   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-24 13:29     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 13:58       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-24 14:42         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 15:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-05-24 16:17             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 21:23               ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-24 22:31                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 22:54                   ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-24 23:41                   ` Lee Revell
     [not found]                     ` <1116979434.2912.63.camel@mindpipe>
2005-05-25  0:48                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-24 23:46                   ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  3:38                     ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-24 23:49                   ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 14:26                     ` Philippe Gerum
2005-05-24 14:47         ` Gene Heskett
2005-05-24 17:22         ` Philippe Gerum
2005-05-25  0:21           ` Lee Revell
2005-05-25  2:04     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-05-25 20:58 ` Tom Vier
2005-05-25 21:05   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 21:10     ` NZG
2005-05-25 21:25     ` Tom Vier
2005-05-25 21:43       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-25 21:45       ` Bill Huey
2005-05-25 21:43   ` Bill Huey
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-25  6:55 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-25  7:06 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-25  7:58 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-06-01 17:56 ` Paul G. Allen
2005-05-25 18:10 YhLu
2005-05-25 18:51 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30  8:25 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-30  9:49 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 10:16 kus Kusche Klaus
2005-05-30 10:43 ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 11:34   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 11:58     ` Nick Piggin
2005-05-30 18:26       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-30 18:37       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 18:56         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 18:58           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 19:33           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-30 19:46             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 20:00             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  8:53               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-05-31 22:01               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-01  0:38                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 22:34           ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 22:49             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-30 22:49               ` Bill Huey
2005-05-30 23:15                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-05-31  0:07                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-05-31 16:29                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 19:52                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:16                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-05-31 21:36                       ` Bill Huey
2005-05-31 19:55                     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:01                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 20:10                       ` Lee Revell
2005-05-31 20:14                       ` David Lang
2005-06-01  2:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-01  2:13                           ` David Lang
2005-05-30 16:33 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-05-31  4:39 Saksena, Manas

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