From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261451AbVFAQVm (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:21:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261452AbVFAQVm (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:21:42 -0400 Received: from krusty.dt.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE ([129.217.163.1]:63139 "EHLO mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261451AbVFAQV3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <429DE087.606@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:21:27 +0200 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joerg Schilling CC: toon@hout.vanvergehaald.nl, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, ltd@cisco.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dtor_core@ameritech.net, 7eggert@gmx.de Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog References: <26A66BC731DAB741837AF6B2E29C10171E60DE@xmb-hkg-413.apac.cisco.com> <20050530093420.GB15347@hout.vanvergehaald.nl> <429B0683.nail5764GYTVC@burner> <46BE0C64-1246-4259-914B-379071712F01@mac.com> <429C4483.nail5X0215WJQ@burner> <20050531172204.GD17338@voodoo> <429DDA07.nail7BFA4XEC5@burner> In-Reply-To: <429DDA07.nail7BFA4XEC5@burner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Joerg Schilling wrote: > Think again what you like to tell me here.... You like to tell me > cdrecord is one of thousands of bad programs but it is the first > program that introduced stability at command line level if talking about > generic SCSI usage. > > If somebody later develops something like udev (did not see it yet) > I would asume that this person would look at earlyer stable software and > provide some way of integration. Heck. The whole issue is that cdrecord is unjustly complaining when it is given a device node that is perfect. For my 2.6.11 system, /dev/hdd (ATAPI hardware, ide-cd device) is as stable as it will get, yet cdrecord complains and attempts to coerce some numbering scheme that Linux isn't offering through /dev/*. Same story with FreeBSD, I need to figure out some intransparent ATAPI transport identifier rather than just using /dev/acd0. So your first step to pull the rug from underneath most of this discussion is just to disable this unnecessary warning for the ATA: interface, whether it is Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. or Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. This is your personal vendetta against Linux device naming or numbering, hence policy, and not a technical reason to complain. Particularly, if cdrecord can use the device node, it MUST not print a warning, if you think it's intentional or not. Please remove these two warnings and you'll see a considerable part of the discussion end. ATAPI: is a different story, if the device doesn't support DMA (ide-scsi bugs), that's a serious reason to avoid it, and the warning is justified. -- Matthias Andree