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From: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
To: schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de, dtor_core@ameritech.net
Cc: toon@hout.vanvergehaald.nl, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, ltd@cisco.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, 7eggert@gmx.de
Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:03:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429DEA5B.nail7BFNJVI78@burner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d120d50005060109051f9ade82@mail.gmail.com>

Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:

> > 10 Years ago, Linux was completely unsuable with Linux /dev/sg* naming
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > and mapping conventions. After I did develop an abstraction layer that
> > made Linux usable people could use stable dev= parameters across
> > reboots of Linux.
>
> Joerg, that is the problem. It was 10 years ago. USB was not existant,
> Firewire wasn't there, FC, etc. You could rely on your naming then.
> But it was last millenium, now dev= parameters are anything but
> stable. It just does not cut anymore, while using device node to
> specify device you want to work with is natural. And I am willing to
> bet if you give this oprion to users of other Unix-like OSes they
> would not complain either.

There is still no new and definitely stable interface that allows me to
asume that it makes sense to put effort in implementing support for it.

The natural way to access SCSI is the method I use, ASPI uses and FreeBSD
uses..... If Linux likes to implement things differntly, they are free
to do so but the Linux authors need to learn that I don't like to spend my
time on somethign that might be useless next week. Also note that the fact that
the Linux kernel by intention hides information I like to see from interfaces that 
the Linux kernel authors like me to use makes it obvious that there is
no mind on a useful cooperation with me.

For me it makes sense to wait until I see that this attitide did change.

I am still interested in cooperation, but this needs to be done in a way that
does not start with calling me a novice programmer....

Jörg

-- 
 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
       js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
       schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de	(work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
 URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-01 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30  9:19 OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-30  9:34 ` Toon van der Pas
2005-05-30 12:26   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 14:14     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-31 11:03       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31  7:29         ` Terry Vernon
2005-05-31 11:46         ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-31 16:59         ` Gerd Knorr
2005-05-31 19:05           ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-31 19:56             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:20                 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2005-06-01 16:55                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01  2:23             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-03 13:29                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-01 16:28               ` Oliver Neukum
2005-06-01 15:41             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:11           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:42             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 16:55               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 17:50                   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:59                     ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-02  1:14                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-02  1:46                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-02  1:23                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-03 19:51                     ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-01 22:06                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 15:57             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-31 17:22         ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-31 19:28           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-31 20:54             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 15:53             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:05               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-06-01 17:03                 ` Joerg Schilling [this message]
2005-06-01 17:28                   ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-02  2:08                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-01 17:35                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-02 10:34                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-01 16:21               ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:28           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:48             ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-30 13:38   ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-30  9:46 ` Joerg Schilling
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-30 22:00 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-31 11:17 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found] <48cRq-7TH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <48cRq-7TH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <48cRq-7TH-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <48dDM-5I-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <48wdp-7lh-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-26 21:53         ` Bodo Eggert
2005-05-26 23:12           ` Lee Revell
     [not found] <4847F-8q-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <E1Db3zm-0004vF-9j@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-25 22:46   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:31     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 19:20       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-26 21:26         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 23:30           ` Matthias Andree
2005-05-27  9:39       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-27 11:09         ` Wakko Warner
2005-05-27 14:21         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30  9:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 10:47             ` Markus Plail
2005-05-30 22:27             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 23:20               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-05-30 23:35               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-31 12:51                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31 12:47               ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505260205390.19389@be1.lrz>
2005-05-27 10:03       ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505271633200.3055@be1.lrz>
2005-05-30  9:36           ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505301326450.2363@be1.lrz>
2005-05-31 10:57               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 13:15 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:12 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 10:15   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26 11:42     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-25 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26  4:11 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-26  7:14   ` Markus Plail

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