From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261435AbVFJCNz (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:13:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262410AbVFJCNz (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:13:55 -0400 Received: from mail.dvmed.net ([216.237.124.58]:63448 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261435AbVFJCNy (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:13:54 -0400 Message-ID: <42A8F758.2060008@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:13:44 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-6 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Ketrenos CC: "David S. Miller" , pavel@ucw.cz, vda@ilport.com.ua, abonilla@linuxwireless.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ipw2100-admin@linux.intel.com Subject: Re: ipw2100: firmware problem References: <200506090909.55889.vda@ilport.com.ua> <20050608.231657.59660080.davem@davemloft.net> <20050609104205.GD3169@elf.ucw.cz> <20050609.125324.88476545.davem@davemloft.net> <42A8AE2A.4080104@linux.intel.com> In-Reply-To: <42A8AE2A.4080104@linux.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org James Ketrenos wrote: > I don't know if all the distributions have moved away from this model. > If they have and the devices are brought up regardless of link, then > going back to delaying radio initialization until the open() is called > is workable. When the interface is not up, we ideally want the device to be as passive as possible. Most net drivers shut down as much as possible at dev->close() time, and it would really be good if wireless drivers followed suit. Jeff