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From: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
To: "Bill Huey (hui)" <bhuey@lnxw.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	pmarques@grupopie.com, bruce@andrew.cmu.edu,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ak@muc.de, sdietrich@mvista.com,
	dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:26:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42A9F788.2040107@opersys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050610193926.GA19568@nietzsche.lynx.com>


Bill Huey (hui) wrote:
> LynxOS is a hard real time OS similar to how the preemption patch works
> in that it's a single kernel system. It's gets those times regularly and
> is obviously deterministic because of careful coding conventions just like
> it has always been. Single kernel determinism is not new. It's only new
> to you.

Bill, I know PREEMPT_RT is something you root for strongly. FWIW, however,
such statements are usually counter-productive.

The existence of real-time monolithic kernels is not disputed. Note, though,
that LynxOS is controlled by a single corporation and its development
model could not be compared in any way to Linux. Because of Linux's
development model, what others are attempting to explain (Andrea included,
I think), the reality is that the auditing/upgrading you speak of is unlikely
to ever become part of the development philosophy.

I don't contest the fact that those promoting PREEMPT_RT intend to conduct
this auditing for the drivers that are of interest to their development.
That, though, doesn't mean that those who are maintaining existing driver
sets want to take part in that.

Karim
-- 
Author, Speaker, Developer, Consultant
Pushing Embedded and Real-Time Linux Systems Beyond the Limits
http://www.opersys.com || karim@opersys.com || 1-866-677-4546

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08  2:26 Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08  3:00 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-08 14:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 16:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-09  2:25   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 11:20   ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-08 18:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-08 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 22:25     ` Eric Piel
2005-06-10 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:23         ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  0:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:38             ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:47               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-06-09 23:50   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10  2:59     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 15:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 17:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 19:39           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 19:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Karim Yaghmour [this message]
2005-06-10 22:37               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:43                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:52                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:00                   ` Flames go here (was Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread) Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:08                   ` Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11  1:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:50                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11  2:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 21:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 23:48                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 17:06                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 21:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13  1:35                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 14:40                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 19:49                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:03                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 20:21                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:26                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:23                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 20:28                                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 22:00                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:11                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:18                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:28                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:29                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:55                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  1:13                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:07                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  2:35                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:37                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  3:24                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14 16:41                                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 19:20                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-14 19:35                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14 21:29                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2005-06-14 20:19                                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14  7:00                                               ` Eugeny S. Mints
2005-06-14 16:09                                               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 16:47                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-13 20:38                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:10                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:31                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:58                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:34                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 21:02                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-12 17:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 18:43                               ` Lee Revell
2005-06-12 19:12                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-11  5:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 17:24                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 20:22           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 20:45           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:06             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:19               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:37                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:49                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 23:01                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:05                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:15                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:26               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:36                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-10 23:41                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:46                     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-11  1:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 20:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 20:38         ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:12           ` Paul E. McKenney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-08 15:54 Eric Piel
2005-06-09  2:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 21:58   ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 22:20 Saksena, Manas
2005-06-13 22:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:44   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:43 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:43 Saksena, Manas

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